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If they can elect a felon to the white house, so could we.

Edit: Better image, thanks to @PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee

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[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 33 points 6 days ago

Good point ☝️

Also batman didn't change the systemic issues with Gotham.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Also batman didn’t change the systemic issues with Gotham.

This is exactly what I have been saying since the assassination. You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.

Did anyone's coverage go down? No. Did UHC just deny the claim of a woman in a coma? Yes.

https://www.newsweek.com/united-healtchare-claim-deny-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione-insurance-2008307

You cannot fix systemic problems with vigilantism.

Well you can't fix it from within the system. You can't fix it with vigilantism, but it can be fixed as every other country in earth has fixed this problem.

The fuck do you people want then?

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Fix it within the system using the threat of vigilantism as the or else.

That’s how we got worker rights… threat of communism.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

There was time to fix it from within the system. That was before the fascist dictator was elected. There is no fix at this point. The good news is it will almost certainly come all crashing down due to incompetence and you only have a few years before global warming because a much bigger problem than healthcare anyway.

What do I want? A socialist utopia. I'm just not under any illusions about it happening in America.

No, there demonstrably wasn't. This happened under Biden.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Sorry, do you think time began in 2020?

You apparently do. Trump has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the state of healthcare, and won't. The ACA was a Republican think tank health plan, and is directly responsible for the state we're in. Healthcare reform hasn't been on the table in a serious manner in this country, from any party.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Trump has everything to do with the fact that there is not going to be any chance to do any sort of progressive reforms in America again in the foreseeable future. Just like there are not going to be any elections again in the foreseeable future.

You still think things are fixable in the U.S.

You are in for a rude awakening.

Yeah, your right wing propaganda didn't work in 2016, it didn't work in 2024, it's not going to work in 2026 or 2028. And yes there will be elections in both those years. You've been living under an unchallenged oligarchy your entire life if you're able to type your own comments, it's not going to change. Trump isnt special in anyway, that's the lesson libs must learn if they want to be in power and get those tasty bribes ever again.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Please quote me endorsing a single right-wing policy. My entire comment history is open to you.

(Weird as fuck to call me right wing when I've been calling Trump a fascist dictator. Do you think that's an endorsement or something?)

You supported Biden and Harris.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

If by "support" I told everyone to vote for them once the primaries were over because the only viable alternative would be a fascist dictatorship that would be the end of America and the start of at least two genocides.

And now look at where we're heading. And Harris lost, meaning this should be what you want, so I don't know why you're calling me right-wing when you wanted the fascist dictator to win.

Yeah, supporting genocide in order to prevent a genocide that the person you're voting for is also advocating for because harris went so far right on immigration Trump wasn't the greater evil is still right wing.

We're not in a dictatorship, or rather we're in the same exact dictatorship of capital.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Again, Harris lost, which is what you wanted. The right-winger won. That was the only other option, so it must have been what you wanted.

So I have no idea why you're calling me right-wing. Or why you're defending Trump.

No, I wanted a left wing populist. Or at least someone that promised popular (>60%) policies like m4a, stopping support of Israel, elimination of given BLM mining/drilling contracts, maybe even mention minimum wage.

Instead we got a right wing cop with a border policy more draconic than anything Trump has ever suggested.

No shit she lost. She wasn't different, and used the least popular policies.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

Again, there were two viable options- Trump or Harris. You made it clear just now that Harris should have lost. That means you wanted Trump to win.

And now you're defending him by saying he won't be a dictator even though he literally says he'll be a dictator and that he won't be committing genocides even though he has made his genocidal plans very clear and he's being aided in them right now.

So, again, you got what you wanted and you're defending your choice. So I have no idea why you're calling me right-wing.

Both of them should have lost. Most people are worse off now than in 2020. Another four years of either Harris or Trump is bad. Supporting wither right wing option makes you right wing. Repeating the bullshit argument that you had no choice but to vote for genocide and mass deportation does nothing to change anything.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Repeating the bullshit argument that you had no choice but to vote for genocide and mass deportation does nothing to change anything.

Now I voted for Trump? I thought I supported Biden and Harris. Make up your mind.

Nope, you voted for Harris, who explicitly supported genocide and mass deportation.

I can see why you have the reputation you do.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

So let me get this straight... Harris wanted genocide and mass deportation, but Trump doesn't want either of those things.

Never said that. Both wanted those.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

This you?

We’re not in a dictatorship, or rather we’re in the same exact dictatorship of capital.

How do you think either Harris or Trump would achieve mass deportations and genocide without dictatorial powers?

Please explain the legal mechanism.

This should be good.

Sure. See the bill introduced by the Biden administration for exact details on that. Trump aligned Republicans stopped it from getting passed, as it would have removed he entirety of Trump's immigration platform.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

If it did, you can explain the legal mechanism for mass deportations and genocide without dictatorial powers.

Please do so.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 7 points 6 days ago

Batman repeatedly made attempts at systemic change using his wealth. It's kind of his arc - he starts young out of anger and rage with his only limit being he would not kill. As he ages, his various funds and programs he starts run into roadblocks from criminals seeking to exploit vulnerabilities in then to enrich themselves. But his biggest problem (in Gotham at least) is that there are many villains who simply want to fight progress because it makes them feel good. His money can do a lot of the work, but his particular skills allow him to apprehend some of the biggest challenges to his goals.

But he's still human. He's still deeply flawed. That's sort of the whole point. He's not fixing everything alone, he can't. None of us can.

[-] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Lets be real, Batman's method of vigilantism was to beat up the people being hurt the most by the system, the poor, the lonely, the mentally unhinged, he didn't really participate in going after the people responsible for sad state of affairs in Gotham.

Also you cant fix this country with a fully captured government either, so is your point that we should just give up?

Or will you accept that in this case, the plural of vigilante is revolutionaries.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

Ah yes, the great revolution that's been coming any day now my entire life that will set everything right.

Weird how this revolution didn't happen before the fascist dictator got into power when it might have had a much greater chance of success.

I don't really care what you do. Feel free to think America will be a socialist paradise with permanent Republican rule and if it isn't, the people who either voted for Trump or didn't give enough of a shit to vote at all will totally rise up and change things. Sounds probable.

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