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Even gamers nexus' Steve today said that they're about to start doing Linux games performance testing soon. It's happening, y'all, the year of the Linux desktop is upon us. ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ

Edit: just wanted to clarify that Steve from GN didn't precisely say they're starting to test soon, he said they will start WHEN the steam OS releases and is adopted. Sorry about that.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I've been saying for years: we need a dedicated gaming operating system.

[–] asap@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I have about 7-9 months to decide what to do with my PC. I don't want to move to windows 11. Because I will have to basically fresh-install my entire system that has 4 drives and god knows how many antiquated programs on it from the XP, Vista and 7 era that I still use. and Im just not ready for it. Im too busy

headache

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like a nightmare. I got sick thinking about it. Lol

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Its just gonna be a question of how unsecure Win10 gets , and how fast.

My pc is from 2019, although I've upgraded the hardware several times. But I've basically reached a ceiling of practicality, its no longer practical to upgrade anything. Im on an outdated chipset (AM4) and jumping from a 3080 to a 4080 isn't really going to fix the problem of games just being unoptimized. It makes more sense to build a new PC than it does to just change OS on this.

but right now, it just doesnt make sense to build a new PC either.. I dont lift a finger on anything unless im going to be able to see at minimum 20% performance increase, I just dont see that without emptying my savings account...

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Im on an outdated chipset (AM4)

Bruh, why do you have to say that? 😂. I just built my PC a couple of months ago and I bought an AM4 and I thought I had some kickass specs.

[–] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

No worries about that, it was a bad wording. The company has stopped producing it, and that's it. Your cpu is fine, compatible with current software, and can serve you well for still a long time.

Corporations were so successful in promoting consumerism, that they already messed with us on a psychological level.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 2 points 35 minutes ago

Oh it's totally fine, my friend. I just thought it was very funny. No hard feelings towards the commenter at all. I even actually laughed out loud. I'm that guy who never buys a brand new car, always used and has to be a great deal. Shit works, why spend the extra money? When you are bron and raised in a poor 3rd world country, you learn to be very careful with your money when you have it.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Realistically the AM4 is still more than enough for now. but its technically end of life. the AM5 isn't worth the jump until theres no other option.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 43 minutes ago

Oh yeah, it is doing all I want it to do. Plus, on Linux I've learnt that having a bit older hardware is always better since the software for it is mature and works no problem in most cases. Absolutely zero complaints for what I paid for it. $500 for a whole PC is unbeatable

[–] Sheldan@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

They did still release a few ones recently for them. But am5 is the main one right now. It's not incredibly old, just no new ones will probably be produced. (I think the last am4 were a surprise already) Just for curiosity, why did you go with am4?

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 48 minutes ago

The honest answer(s), money and I didn't know any better, especially in the AMD side. I hadn't learnt their numbering schemes and I saw Ryzen 7 and thought "hell yeah", but it turned out it's a 5700G and the newest is the 7000 series. lol. Still powerful as hell. I bought the whole thing from microcenter and I had the salesperson pick the parts for me. I restricted him to $500 and that's all we were able to get with that money. I have no issues with it whatsoever. I can play all of my games on 4k mid to low settings. Not much fps, but I'm a guy who's ok with a game if it runs at 30 fps.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

might have been a deal. some retailers are dumb and think lower number means worse, so discount justified. lol

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

100% nailed it. I bought all parts for $500. Works great. The processor is a Ryzen 7 5700G and it comes with an iGPU, so I didn't get a dGPU at the time, a friend of mine had an RX 580 laying around and gave it to me. Gamed on it for about a year or less, worked fine. Later on, I got an RX 6600 from Facebook for $100.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

They are end of life now and have ceased production, but if you can manage to find a 5800X3D , that CPU is the definition of sleeper. I had a 5700X I think it was, and the performance boost was f***ing unreal, I expected meagre gains, I saw 20 to 50% performance increase on many games. if you're into that kind of thing. if you see one for sale, seriously think about grabbing it.

its the whole reason aside from the OS issue, Im not even remotely worried about the next few years, it can compete with the high end stuff of the AM5 generation still. unreal.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 3 minutes ago)

Too late now, as I've already bought and have been using the R7 5700G for a long while now. This one is great, too. It boosts to 4.7 GHz. It has its own iGPU, 8 cores, 16 threads. It burns through everything I throw at it. Been very happy with it honestly. And the cherry on top was the price. I got it for $135. I'll be keeping it for a long while. I don't see any reason to spend more money. I literally have no issues with my system. Everything I do works no problem. All of the games I play work flawlessly (I never play multiplayer online stuff), why spend the extra money, you know?

[–] polle@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

Not a good advice. A friend of mine is still on win7 and it still works and got security updates time to time. But some programs actually stopped working or only older lts versions remain workings. Win10 is probably still ok for a year or two.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

As long as they can keep it rolling stable, which is possible even with arch, I can see this pickup up a bit, especially for new users.

Plenty of users are sick of windows 11.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 26 points 11 hours ago

I jumped into Linux, via Mint, about a year ago when I refreshed my hardware. The transition was pretty easy, and I haven't looked back. Steam runs fine and I haven't had a modern game that didn't work under default proton settings except for things I've run outside Steam and mods. Most of my personal PC's workload is gaming and handful of web-based apps that are effectively OS-agnostic; Everything else has an easy equivalent in the apt repos.

I would say that my decision to embrace Linux as my OS was primarily influenced by my Steam Deck. Gaming on it has been simple and the desktop UI was easy to adapt to. I replaced my laptop with the Steam Deck, bluetooth keyboard and mouse, and a USB-C dock with HDMI out (all things I already had for the laptop). I now just hook into whatever TV is handy as a monitor when I need a computer on the go.

I was a tech enthusiast when I was younger, and am thus familiar with fucking around on the command line, but now I'm an old man who just wants his stuff to work and it just has... The barrier of entry for the Linux Desktop is effectively gone. We just need PR now.

Also, I think I'd replace Mint on my primary PC with SteamOS, given a simple way to do so. About a year ago, the desktop/beta SteamOS was not fully baked.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is so great to see, and the timing is perfect.

My son already calls the PC Steam, as in “we played game A on Xbox and game B on Steam,” so maybe by the time he has a PC in his room Steam really will run the whole platform.

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[–] Noved@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago (11 children)

New to the Linux community here; why is a valve owned Linux OS better than any other massive company OS. Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

At the end of the day, we don't want our OS's big company owned right?

It's way easier to move from one Linux distro to another if Valve starts enshittifying SteamOS (which would really suck) than it is to move from Windows to Linux. Either way this is a good stepping stone that's well supported.

[–] john89@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 hours ago

SteamOS is better than, for example, macOS and Windows because of licenses.

Since you're new (welcome!), I should let you in on a little secret: pretty much the entire free software movement is built around licensing. I know, it's boring and seems insignificant. But the outcomes are profound.

Because SteamOS is built to function within the free software ecosystem, it means users are never beholden to the decisions of one centralized entity (usually the company that owns the software patents.)

If Valve ever decides to, say, include candy crush ads in SteamOS' start menu (they'd have to make their own start menu, since right now SteamOS uses one that's already made by the free software community), then users can choose to remove that part of the menu or replace the menu altogether without having to start from scratch.

For wealthy people who can always pay the "proprietary tax," this might seem like a non-issue. Practically speaking, these people only want their software to work without hassle. They don't care about the true cost of that software, such as only one entity being able to modify/redistribute the software. It's not until, say, photoshop starts charging a subscription (which they can always increase the price of) that people start to see the value in free software and the importance of licensing.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Valve dosnt really "own" SteamOS. They maintain and update SteamOS, but SteamOS is free and open source

Plus just about everbody who knows anything about steam would tell you they are probably the most consumer friendly billion dollar company ever, and have been for decades. So yes even if they owned it like microsoft owns windows it would still be better

[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 8 hours ago

Microsoft is deeply entrenched and has undergone decades of enshittification. SteamOS is at only the beginning of this cycle. And since SteamOS is linux-based, it's likely to have ramifications for the whole GNU/Linux ecosystem. Furthermore, if there are two vastly different OSes that developers and graphics card manufacturers need to seriously target, they're more likely to write more platform-agnostic software that everyone can benefit from.

[–] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Like if Microsoft released their own Linux OS, would it be good suddenly?

It's worth noting that steamOS, like any Linux distro has its issues and a bit of a learning curve. Especially if you want to go off the beaten track, it's pretty much just using a stock arch distro.

As for if MS switched to Linux, no it wouldn't be good because the issues with Win11 overwhelmingly aren't a matter of incompetence or anything inherent to the code, but of conscious anti-consumer business decisions. There's nothing about Linux that would actively stop MS from cramming telemetry, bloat, etc. In their distro.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Because valve is a private company. They don't have to answer to shareholders. That means, they don't go through enshitifaction, they care about their product and their customers. Are they perfect? Absolutely not, are they good? Better than every single company out there that tries to be like them. Period.

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[–] beaiouns@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 hours ago

If it's like the steam deck version, it'll be based on Arch with a bunch of steam-specific patches/configs to make games run more easily (with the added bonus of making non-steam games run pretty well too). Steam exists to sell games, and if they want to make it easier for me to play games, that's fine by me.

Not sure what a Microsoft distro would look like, but if they make a distro that'll run Xbox games with gamepass, I'd give it a shot.

Another nice bonus for either/both of those situations is that it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate those changes into other distros. That way people who want more of an "install and go" experience would have their official distros, people who like to tinker could work on importing the official code into their unofficial setup, and people who use arch btw can install it from the AUR.

[–] Biorix@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Because it's open source and based on the Linux kernel. It's owned by them but you can do what you want with it. You can't with Windows.

So if a game works on the Steam OS, it works on pretty much any distro

I game with Steam on Linux, but I'm not using Steam OS

Also, that means that every effort made by Valve to improve compatibility is beneficial to everyone.

Edit: Also, even if it were closed source, I think it would still be good as it gives us alternatives to Windows. But

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[–] gramgan@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

I thought this had already happened?

I remember seeing ads on Steam for SteamOS years ago—wasn’t there a point at which you could download and run it on your own computer? What happened?

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 5 points 7 hours ago

Old steam os was an Ubuntu derived OS. Ubuntu has issues relating to the organization that runs it. New steam os is basically a coat of paint on top of Arch which is community based. The old os is deprecated.

The version on steam deck is fantastic, but they have been polishing it for desktop use for a while now. I can’t wait to have it available.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If I recall correctly, this has never happened the way it's happening now. It was a matter of "hey, you can fork it on GitHub and make your own iso thing", hence why there was a "holoiso" or something like that that (I keep forgetting the name) where people used if they wanted to install steamOS on a device. This one is straight supported by valve. Like "hey, here is our official steam OS that we use on our steam deck. Use it and we will support you".

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