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[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Super embarrassing when HTS militants clap your RUSF ‘advisors’ and flex the looted AK-105s tricked out with western optics on Telegram, your Frogfoots and Hinds are smoking wrecks/busy in Ukraine instead of propping up your proxy dictatorship, and SAA et al run away so fast that warehouses of ATGMs get left behind intact.

And then there’s Wagner in Mali…

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 41 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Everybody was free-dom fighting!

Technicals fast as lightning!

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 months ago

Prigo was dis-GUISING!

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

Old Bash doesn't seem to be ballin today

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

The Islamist militant group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS)

Uh no thanks. It's hard to be sympathetic towards any official side of that war because they're all major assholes. Why do they only have socialists and islamists in those areas? Why hasn't liberalism and freedom taken root in the Near East?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 29 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Can't imagine why the Middle East doesn't trust liberals, it's a real goddamn mystery.

Injects oil directly into his veins

[–] shezznazz@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ask iran and iraq what happend to their Democratically elected leaders. Oh yeah, the west are massive gaslighters and couped many Democraticlly elected leader over fears of "communism" aka new age colonialism style resource extraction. The militants aren't the cause their the symptom.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, Iran's last democratically elected leader was Mohammed Mosaddegh, who upheld the most watered down and benign version of social democracy you can think of. He publicly opposed communism and really should've been an ally or at least a friend of the west.

CIA was out of their fucking minds when they fucked that one up.

[–] shezznazz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

There's absolutely no reason iran isn't our friend and Saudi Arabia (where literal wahabism is from which is a plague to the west but a bigger plague to the Muslims around the world with rich degenerate sheiks come over to tell us "authentic islam") buttt mosaddegh nationalised oil, and to west, it never mattered about morals, human rights. It was about who could extract the most native resources and give to some white asshole nepo baby

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Liberalism and its "freedom" hasn't taken root because:

  1. Liberals fucked the whole region in the first place.

  2. Shareholder profits are not going to inspire the masses to take up arms and fight.

Liberalism cannot provide a better future for anyone, so the people turn towards the groups who try to provide a change.

Extremely funny you say this in this situation since there is a group here fighting for freedom and democracy but they're stinky reds, so you'll hate them.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Extremely funny you say this in this situation since there is a group here fighting for freedom and democracy but they’re stinky reds, so you’ll hate them.

The other things you said can be accepted as opinions, but here I'll have to correct you: In this conflict, Bashar al-Assad is the socialist (Ba'athist), and the group "fighting for freedom and democracy", as you put it, is Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham. They are a far-right islamist religious fundamentalist terrorist organization.

So essentially nobody in Syria is fighting for any sensible definition of democracy or freedom.

[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

I was talking about AANES, not the "socialist" Assad or the clearly religious authoritarian groups in the area.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I liked the image I saw a few days back. Conservatives will play to your base needs (food/water, shelter, family), while Liberals/Socialists expect selflessness and assume all your needs are already met, including self-fulfilment.

Especially in the poorer and war torn regions of the world, the former is magnitudes more appealing. If non-extremist groups want to have a chance, they need to cover the bases first.

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's a good elevator speech, can I borrow it? Christmas dinner with my mom's side of the family is coming up quick.

[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Of course, lemme look for the original.

E: can't find it anymore. It speaks about the top and bottom three layers of Maslow's pyramid and how liberals expect transcendence and selflessness, while conservatives falsely promise the bottom three layers and act like the rest don't matter.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

the fuck is wrong with socialism here?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago (25 children)

I can't speak for others, but I've seen nothing but death and hate under the banner of socialism: USSR, China, Venezuela, etc, the list goes on. What most non-crazy people seem to mean by "socialism" is liberalism with a strong social safety net and public services (e.g. Nordic countries, "Democratic socialists" like Bernie Sanders, etc), which is a separate thing altogether.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

What most non-crazy people seem to mean by “socialism” is liberalism with a strong social safety net and public services (e.g. Nordic countries, “Democratic socialists” like Bernie Sanders, etc), which is a separate thing altogether.

Exactly, and specifically for this thread this is not quite the same socialism what Bashar al-Assad has been going for.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago

It's funny how many of them seem to like national socialism

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bernie Sanders is a proper anti-capitalist not just social democratic capitalist. See: https://berniesanders.com/issues/corporate-accountability-and-democracy/

@noncredibledefense

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

He really isn't anti-capitalist, he's against concentrations of wealth generally, but he's absolutely in favor of our capitalist system, he just thinks there should be more rules so workers fare better. He's not a socialist, much as the right wants to think, he's just in favor of a large welfare system and high taxes on the wealthy. He doesn't want to fundamentally change our economic system, he just wants to make it more fair for his definition of "fair."

[–] jlou@mastodon.social 1 points 7 months ago (12 children)

I agree he is not a socialist in the 20th century sense, but he clearly says that workers should have ownership stake in companies, which is not a capitalist sentiment. He advocates for employee ownership of companies. I also am aware of who his economic advisors on these issues are and they are very much anti-capitalist

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 2 points 7 months ago

I don't think people are expressing sympathy.

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