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[-] Stern@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago

Okay so the 2015 EOL ones, yeah I can understand telling the customer to update their shit. They shouldn't have to support nearly 10 year out of date stuff.

May 2024 EOL ones? Bruh. C'mon now.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

I would love to know when they stopped selling it compared to the EOL. EOL should be at least 5 years past the last time the models were shipped out, maybe more. So if May 2024 was EOL I sure hope they weren't selling them after 2018.

[-] darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago

The DSR-150 is still being sold on Amazon under the D-Link store. Why the hell would you end of life something you still sell.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 15 points 2 days ago

Don't want to get lumbered with a bunch of old stock now, do you?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Technically most if not all Amazon sellers are third party who sell to the warehouse and then it sits there until its listing contract expires.

Thats why Rode Microphone refuses to sell on Amazon.

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[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 46 points 2 days ago

Be nice if companies had to open source firmware they are going to EoL.

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Not going to hold my breath that anything like this will happen in the current political climate, but yeah, that should be mandatory. Even ignoring the exploitive nature towards their customers, it creates a ton of unnecessary waste.

Exactly. As a consumer, when I buy a product, I'm not just buying the state of things at the time, I'm buying with an expectation of ongoing support. If they choose to not support it themselves, I should be able to support it myself.

In the old days, hardware came with schematics, so when the manufacturer warranty ended, customers could repair things themselves. That should extend to software as well, since software is just as much a part of the functioning of a device as capacitors and whatnot.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 days ago

Be nice?

It must become.law. we want to lower e-waste? Yen if companies stop supporting their products, het must open source all of it

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

Long ago, D-Link was good but then they sold the company. Just like Alienware, Farbreware, Oaklies, etc.

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 days ago

there should be list of companies that should be avoided and why, its impossible to keep track of everything like this

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

An idea for an app I came up with for a class once was one that let you scan a barcode of a product in like Walmart and get what parent company owns it, like how Nestle doesn't like to put their name on companies they bought (or not in big text anyways).
So if you want to avoid Coca Cola you could scan it and see who it's owned by and if that company matches one of the ones you have blacklisted

Fun fact, 'peace tea' is owned by coca cola

[-] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 days ago

There's an app called 'buycott' that does exactly that!

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 136 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I mean, some of those EOLed nearly a decade ago.

You can argue over what a reasonable EOL is, but all hardware is going to EOL at some point, and at that point, it isn't going to keep getting updates.

Throw enough money at a vendor, and I'm sure that you can get extended support contracts that will keep it going for however long people are willing to keep chucking money at a vendor -- some businesses pay for support on truly ancient hardware -- but this is a consumer broadband router. It's unlikely to make a lot of sense to do so on this -- the hardware isn't worth much, nor is it going to be terribly expensive to replace, and especially if you're using the wireless functionality, you probably want support for newer WiFi standards anyway that updated hardware will bring.

I do think that there's maybe a good argument that EOLing hardware should be handled in a better way. Like, maybe hardware should ship with an EOL sticker, so that someone can glance at hardware and see if it's "expired". Or maybe network hardware should have some sort of way of reporting EOL in response to a network query, so that someone can audit a network for EOLed hardware.

But EOLing hardware is gonna happen.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 87 points 3 days ago

all hardware is going to EOL at some point, and at that point, it isn't going to keep getting updates

EOLing hardware should be handled in a better way

Both of these are solved by one thing: open platforms. If I can flash OpenWRT on to an older router then it becomes useful again.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 52 points 3 days ago

Bingo.

Either support the device until the heat death of the universe, or provide consumers with the access to maintain it themselves.

[-] Damn990099@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago

But neither of those help corporations make them all the money. So we need regulation to force them to.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago

Regulation? I think you mean "guillotines"...

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[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If I can flash OpenWRT on to an older router then it becomes useful again.

well, only if it has more than 4 MB storage, 8 MB RAM. I'm practically swimming in older routers that can't even pass that requirement, and even today the cheaper, that is, more affordable options are still near that for some fucking reason.

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[-] YaksDC@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 days ago

This is the correct reaction to old home equipment.

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[-] shininghero@pawb.social 18 points 3 days ago

I think there should be a handoff procedure, or whatever you want to call it.

As EOL approaches, work with whatever open router OS maker is available (currently OpenWRT) to make sure it's supported, and configs migrate over nicely. Then drop one last update, designed to do a full OS replacement.

Boom, handoff complete.

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[-] Rinox@feddit.it 9 points 2 days ago

EoL of anything should mean open source code. You don't want to open source your code? Then you must keep servicing your products and must keep your servers up

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 75 points 3 days ago

I agree. Buy a new router that isn't Dlink.

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[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 days ago

There right you and i should just buy a new one

Of a diffrent brand

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[-] psmgx@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago

Welp never buying anything D-Link ever again

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[-] viking@infosec.pub 13 points 2 days ago

Can highly recommend ASUS, most of their models can be flashed with custom firmware that is supported beyond EOL. And their EOL cycle is also pretty long.

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Or just get a GLi.Net router, and get the OpenWRT firmware right out of the box without even needing to flash it manually.

As a bonus, if you ever have the need for one, they also have some badass travel routers that can use your phone as a modem, take a SIM card natively, or just connect to an Ethernet/public WiFi to create your own secure network. Super handy if you do a lot of traveling, because they can be used in hotels or cruise ships. Know how cruise ships sell internet access per device? Yeah, your travel router only counts as one device. Set that bad boy up, and now all of your devices have internet.

[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

its not openwrt. its openwrt based, with proprietary modifications, from a country where saying no to planting a backdoor is not an option.

everyone is better off just flashing the open source firmware themselves. both with gl.inet and other brands, but I would say the same for openwrt's own router-like device too due to supply chain attacks

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[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago

Our shit sucks. Buy more lol

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 29 points 3 days ago

don't buy shit unless it runs openwrt or whatever

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[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

I mean this is pretty standard in all industries regardless of whether it's a software flaw or a physical flaw in any other kind of product. What's the likelihood of a vacuum manufacturer replacing a part in a 15 year old product that had a 1 year warrantee even if it's a safety issue?

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago

I work for a manufacturer with part catalogues going back to 1921, and while the telegraph codes no longer work, you could absolutely still order up a given part, or request from us the engineering diagram for it to aid in fabricating a replacement. You can also request service manuals, wiring diagrams, etc. Don't all half-decent manufacturers do this?

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

Don't all half-decent manufacturers do this?

No. That is phenomenally uncommon. To the point it's almost unheard of.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 days ago

Yes they do, but half decent manufacturers are extremely rare.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

What you're saying is perfectly reasonable, but also doesn't apply here because they're still selling this router new on the D-link Amazon store.

If you're going to stop supporting a product, you should also stop selling it.

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[-] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

This is why a number of countries have laws saying spare parts must be made available for a number of years past being sold. Well beyond what the warranty is.

How is this significantly different?

[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I'd also settle for releasing 3D models of out-of-production parts so they can be 3D-printed by enthusiasts.

Story time: in my second-gen Mazda Miata, I closed the centre console lid on a piece of cardstock by accident and it snapped the plastic piece that latches the lid shut. The part previously sold for ~$10 but they stopped producing it as a standalone part at some point and the only way to acquire it was to buy the $100 centre console lid assembly.

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[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Perfect time for users to buy something that isn't D-Link then innit.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

then what? the brand thats owned by a chinese company, and even designs not just the software but the hardware too according to Chinese interests, tp-link?
or the one that requires online registration to access the setup page (and so to replace the firmware) that is netgear?

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[-] DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

A bunch of juvenile D-Linkuents. Get it? D-Link? Nevermind....

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Cool, so what brand is a good one to replace D-Link with?

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