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Kamala Harris won politicaly engaged voters, but lost voters who don't follow politics. (www.nbcnews.com)

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[-] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 43 points 2 days ago

Once again, they are only looking at the people who DID vote... Those people always vote, and clearly the proportion of blue "always voters" is dwindling compared to red "always voters". Yes ignorant voters lean red, but it doesn't matter. Stop pretending like there's a huge swath of "swing" voters. There's not. Trump got basically the same votes this time. This election came down to the 10 million Biden voters who stayed home for Kamala. That's it. All the rest of this is nonsense bullshit propaganda to obscure the truth. Why didn't they come out for Kamala??

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Because she's a woman
The DNC failed to remind people what happened under Trump (Which is how Trump got away with "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

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[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 116 points 3 days ago

lost the ones more easily duped by soundbites of lies.

"I love the poorly educated!" -Trump, 2/2016

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 2 days ago

It's too bad she didn't offer any soundbites of truth. Her entire campaign was built around being inoffensive to everyone which meant saying nothing that might evoke meaning. Lies thrive in that environment.

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[-] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 60 points 3 days ago

I have spoken to two kinds of voters.

First off, was my dad. He never ever voted in his life. This was his first year of voting and he went Harris. Simply because he knew enough of what she was about and liked her character.

Meanwhile, the other party was my formerly adoptive mother. She voted Trump because "I just don't like the other party". That was her only reason. And that was just simply dishonest and uneducated.

So, it is possible that someone is capable of just even doing the tiniest research can give you an idea of who to vote for.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

No, SHE didn't.

Corporate News Fucked Up Again.

For some reason all the headlines about this seem to be about what the DNC or the Harris campaign should have done.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

I don't think it's fair to just dump all the blame on corporate media. The news media landscape hasn't meaningfully changed since Trump was first elected, but despite having 8 years to formulate a sound media strategy the DNC is still campaigning like it's 2015.

Like, sure, the Democrats are running with a handicap in the current media landscape, but that isn't new, and it's the responsibility of the DNC to figure out how to overcome that disadvantage — a task that the current leadership has proven itself woefully incompetent at.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago

Yeah but like, it's a bit crazy that the right has: Fox News, OAN, NewsMax (or whatever it's called), Joe Rogan Experience (gateway drug/sanewashing), Benny Shaps network, X, Truth Social, Prager U, Tim's Pool, right wing radio, and lots of other smaller shops and they all seem to claim corporate media is the worst and they're all here to tell you the truth.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Don't forget Sinclair Broadcasting. They're the local branch of the right wing propaganda machine.

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fuck Reagan and his deregularion.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

What's crazier is when WB bought CNN and literally said Faux News was the plan for what they wanted to do, and loads of journalists resigned from CNN over the changes...

People still think any media organization owned by billionaires has a chance to be "on the left".

If a billionaire (or group of billionaires) own a media company, it's only to manipulate people into blaming anyone except billionaires for the current state of affairs.

Like, it's great you're realizing it now...

But the merger was two years ago..

https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column

None of this was done in the shadows, they came right out and said it. Publicly and repeatedly.

What you want to happen is happening. The Dems are getting their own versions of that shit.

The problem is they're getting it for the same reason: to trick us into voting against our own interests.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

The news media landscape hasn't meaningfully changed since Trump was first elected

I think that's the heart of the issue. Yes, DNC should have figured out away around all corporate media outlets but that's an enormous, unbelievable ask.

Yes, the DNC should be mobile, and memeable, and . . . fuck, I dunno - on 3.14chan or whatever, but at the end of the day they still have to rely on the fucking Today Show and NBC Nightly News and the motherfucking New York Times to carry their message without shitting on it - which they absolutely will. never. do.

The right has poured hundreds of billions into this since the mid-90s. The left has no fucking clue. Despite having all the academics and content creators telling them what to do. It's time to put a fist in the face of corporate news. Sweet talking has gotten us a fascist dictator.

[-] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I mean... bernies doing it. Dude is like 80 and is absolutely idolised by the younger generation and regular middle and lower class people because he seems to actually practice what he preaches and is genuinely interested in what's good for people. Most politicians to me just give the impression of seeking politics to enrich themselves and clasping onto power to avoid losing that even when their senile and completely incapable of fulfilling their role.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 2 days ago

Democrats ran another perfect losing campaign. Some people might say that losing makes a campaign definitionally imperfect, but that's only sane people.

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[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

This is what happens when you sell all of the major news outlets to billionaires - they publish pro billionaire propaganda

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

For some reason all the headlines about this seem to be about what the DNC or the Harris campaign should have done.

Wait...

You're surprised people are blaming the candidate that lost and her campaign team that was paid millions of dollars and spent over a billion and still couldn't beat trump?

Why?

What is the logic where the people whose literal job was to win the election, aren't at fault for losing the election?

And I'm scared to even ask, but:

Since you think they're blameless, does that mean you really want us to do the same shit in four years again and hope this time screaming at people will be effective?

Cuz buddy, it's never been effective at anything besides letting some shitty republican into the Oval

[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Fucking up implies they didn't get exactly what they wanted.

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[-] WingedObsidian@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Can’t forget when I overheard someone say, “when was Biden is not running for president” as Trumps was announced he was president elect…

Democracy dies in ignorance

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The ones that get their information from places like Fox, Threads, Facebook, Nextdoor, X, etc.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

"Stupid uninformed people didn't vote."

Oh really?

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 3 days ago

Honestly I thought it was really stupid to hear Trump going after "low propensity voters" as if Kamala wasn't.

To me, politically engaged people by nature will vote so why the fuck wouldn't you be trying to reach those that don't pay much attention? Like ffs if these people can't be their own advocates how could we expect them to run the damn country... Very very stupid. :(

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

The problem is that ots much easier to get people enraged than it is to get them to show understanding. The reds only talk about hate, and that's very hard to combat. It's been their strategy my entire adult life, and I'm 51. It's culture war propaganda.

What we need are Podcaster and other influences to rail against billionaires and their crimes.

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