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[-] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 17 points 1 hour ago

This isn't going to be popular, but part of the problem is not acknowledging that 42%. It's fucking insulting, frankly. Plenty of women voted for the bear.

[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 hour ago

52% of white women voted for trump.

Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.

Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let's focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

[-] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Please don't get me confused, I don't think it's good this many men voted for The Stain. Also, 52% of WHITE women, but I bet if you combined ALL women, that number would drop dramatically.

My broader point is, IMO, that 42% never gets talked about so why would it grow, yeah?

Or, put another way, when I talk about women, who are my allies against the Patriarchy, I speak of why I like them (because I do, I LOVE women). They are resilient, strong, resourceful, grounded, etc, all the good stuff, and I try to include all women in that, they are my allies. I try NOT to focus on trad wives, manipulators, "gold diggers", abusers, weirdos like MTG or Caitlyn Jenner , you know, bad people (and there are plenty).

But when I hear about men in the ally space, it feels like I hear all about how awful and dangerous we are and that's it. And there's ALWAYS this group of guys willing to go along with it and point and go "yeah, we totally suck! You guys saying we don't are the real problem!" But, how is that motivating to anyone? It makes me upset, anyways. Maybe I'm just a big emotional baby, who knows?

Anyways, I'm blabbing. Bad habit of mine.

[-] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 58 minutes ago

I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.

And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 23 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That is women literally choosing the bear (by not voting or who voted Trump, same thing).

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

If there isn't a movie yet where a woman meets a strange man in the middle of the woods and he starts acting creepy and she gets scared, then she sees a bear and decides to chance it with the bear... and then the bear runs past her and mauls the creepy guy-

Well there should be.

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

2020 election.

Its cultural, men are more likely to be Republicans. One day this will change

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

I don't know about that. We have to remember that people just didn't come out to vote. Trump's base is Trump's base. It's unchanging. People didn't come out to vote, it's not that Trump flipped people.

[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 15 points 5 hours ago

If no woman will consent to a guy like that, he’ll just vote for the candidate who promises to abolish consent

[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 31 points 7 hours ago

I mean, it sounds to me like men also chose the bear. Why did they choose the bear, is it because they're stupid? Probably not, they likely just thought their odds were better with the bear.

Dropping the metaphor, and looking in the cold light of day, those young men saw a better future under Trumpler than Harris. Articles signaled this well before, and nothing was done to address it.

Will their future be better - probably not. Can they be made to think their future is better, that's a tough one. Remember, you can trick one group of people into thinking they have more rights by stripping the rights of those around them.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

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