cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4286365
Also fuck greedy investor urbanism. Valencia spent an enormous amount of time and money to redirect a river prone to flooding outside of the city. And then promptly urbanized the risky flood plain with housing and commerce.
Jesus fucking Christ. I get advocating for less car reliance but cheering the deaths of people just for owning cars is beyond fucked.
Valencia registers about 50 deaths by car accident per year, 1/3 of the deaths that the floods caused in the city. If you look at Spain as a whole, car deaths per year are much, much higher. Depending on how long it takes roads to unblock and cars to be replaced, this may in total be a win for human lives...
Who are cheering the death? The post had no mention of dead people.
The comment was removed but it was there and it had a depressing number of up votes.
This one?
Wow, 2 opvotes vs 52 downvotes. Soo depressing.
The post was new at the time and there were no downvotes.
Its black humor, not cheering the deaths of people. It's pointing out that we've been warning the world for years that exactly this will happen, and now it has in a way that resembles a system correcting itself. There's no joy in hilighting this, just ironic tragedy and the laughter of the gallows.
"I will shed no tears for any car owner killed in this disaster. They got what they deserved. For everyone else, I wish I knew where to donate toward any relief funds.” -- SatouKazuma@lemmy.world
The comment is likely gone now but there was someone cheering in the comments.
And had they replied to that comment they would have had a point.
People can hate cars AND help humans in need, even car users.
Flooding wouldn't be so bad without global car dependency.
I'm sorry for all the losses the people have to endure, but after this is over, there needs to be a discussion how to prevent disaster like these or minimise their impact on human and general environment.
Flooding wouldn’t be so bad without global car dependency.
because of climate change or...?
Reduced inpacts of climate change but more importantly better urban design. Long, straight, impermeable roads guide water wherever it wants to go with little resistance or slow downs. Cities can be built to be more permeable to handle water better, they can also implement stomwater retention and detention ponds.
Many cities currently waste lots of space on asphalt for cars. We could build transit with permeable surfaces (such as grassy tram lines or cycle lanes designed from permeable materials). We could build less parking lots and save that space for stormwater ponds.
The financial, spatial and carbon economy of motorised private transport is inefficient, including its infrastructure. Opportunity costs of missing climate action due to economical reliance on private transport, spatial constraints of land use for traffic and inefficient housing (private transport induced sprawl) are just two examples for that.
Climate change fuels flooding frequency and severity, so fueling climate change with fossil fuelled private transport is irresponsible.
What happened to basic human decency .
They are mourning 200 dead in a disaster zone.
Can’t you shut your fucking mouth for one week ?
I'll shut up when we mourn the death and maiming caused by the use of cars.
Well, that’s vile and also a clinically psychopathic lack of empathy.
I hope that when you grow up, you manage to reconnect with your humanity.
I hope that when you grow up, you manage to reconnect with your humanity.
The same to you then.
You remind me of the people who complain about talk of gun regulations after mass shootings.
The thing is, you're both right. It's a vile and cynical lack of empathy on both your parts. He's exactly right, far more people die daily who get none of your empathy. If people dying on the road is supposed to change our behaviour, then what about you?
I do wonder how you know what i do with my empathy.
They're not both right. Vile rhetoric sews division. Calling it out and appealing to humanity are acts of strength that bind us together.
Name checks out
I've seen a lot of terrible things.
Devastation shocks the brain full of thoughts and feelings, navigating around the rocks takes courage
So basically, a submission that places fuck cars users at the level of this guy. Makes sense, fits all my expectations for them.
The responses to this on the other post were the same, punitive and wrathful with no space left for critical thinking.
How many people shop online then consume media showing the impacts of climate change or reports of warehouse working conditions within the delivery window? How many "fuck cars" users also subscribe to gentle parenting content? How many were raised in Christian homes and currently hold negative views on religion generally?
I guess fuck all the buildings and lives as well, right?
The destruction of automobiles during a disaster which was made far worse as a result of climate change is a very poignant juxtaposition.
what if carbomb?
So brave to seize on a natural disaster and massive human tragedy. How proud of yourselves you must be.
“Natural” disaster.
This is like when republicans whine about how inappropriate it is to criticize loose gun regulations after a mass shooting.
No. This is exactly the time to bring it up.
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