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submitted 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) by dragonfucker@lemmy.nz to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Five days ago, drag was banned from !politicalmemes@lemmy.world for using neopronouns. A comment explaining drag's pronouns, and a comment saying "drag" isn't a nickname, were removed with the reason "trolling". Drag understands why someone would think that using different pronouns than most people is trolling - transphobia. However, drag is confused how on earth not liking a nickname is a violation of any rules anywhere.

Context of the removed comments:

Drag would like to pre-empt any further accusations of trolling by asking a question: If drag were a right wing troll, and you chose to freely accept drag's pronouns, wouldn't that completely neuter the trolling attempt? Trolling is about trying to make others upset. You don't have to get upset when someone uses unusual pronouns. If you aren't transphobic, then it's impossible to troll you that way. And drag promises: drag wants you to not be transphobic. Drag is not trying to upset anyone. If you do what drag wants you to do, then you get what you want too. This is a non-issue, there's only a problem if you want there to be.

EDIT: DRAG DID NOT TELL ANYBODY TO USE DRAG'S PREFERRED PRONOUNS.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 18 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

YDI. You weren't contributing to the community discussion. You turned the discussion into one about you. That's not helpful. the moderators were correct for removing you. For no other reason than you were off topic

[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 3 points 2 hours ago

Seems like an overraction tbh.

A comment explaining drag’s pronouns

It should be drags surely, we don't use an apostrophe for possessive pronouns.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 6 points 13 hours ago

Trolling is about trying to make others upset.

This is wrong. Trolling is about attention. Making others upset is an easy way to get attention but it's not the only one. Gimmick accounts are another, for example.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -5 points 13 hours ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll

to antagonize (others) online by deliberately posting inflammatory, irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content

Drag isn't hip to the newest versions of the slang

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 18 hours ago

Pronouns are generic by nature. A custom pronoun that applies to one person and only one person isn't a pronoun, it's a noun.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

PTB but seriously this is not a transphobic reaction.

[-] Gurfaild@feddit.org 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Part of what might make people think you're trolling is that you seem to use "drag" as a first person neopronoun but conjugate your verbs as if it were third person.

To someone who hasn't seen this before, interpreting it as if you use a nickname to talk about yourself in third person would be the only thing that makes grammatical sense.

Edit: this reminds me a bit of https://www.xkcd.com/169/ - you don't come across as smug, but you're definitely not communicating well

[-] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Exactly this: The word "Drag" is being used to refer to a third-person in these sentences, I had to double check that it was actually the troll themselves posting this.

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -4 points 13 hours ago

No, people are very used to conjugating pronouns in a way that doesn't match their grammatical preconceptions. Take the pronoun "they". A lot of people complain about they/them because they say it can't be used in the singular. What they mean is, they find it difficult to conjugate properly.

"I need to talk to Sam before they go to the store"

"I need to talk to Sam before they goes to the store"

The second sentence here is conjugated the same way as he or she, but it sounds wrong to us. In order to use they/them pronouns on the regular, we all had to learn that conjugation doesn't depend on the grammatical form of the reference, but instead on the specific pronoun. "They" is conjugated differently not because it's a plural, but because it's "they".

People who have a problem with the conjugation of drag's pronouns simply failed to think carefully about this fact. They're having the singular they debate all over again, because they didn't change their understanding of pronouns after they had this debate the first time. Well drag doesn't want to have that debate all over again. Drag doesn't think drag's existence should lead to any sort of debate. Drag thinks people should just accept new ideas without having to be argued into accepting them. But for some reason, a lot of people see drag, and they want to be argued with.

[-] Gurfaild@feddit.org 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

First/second person neopronouns are not like singular they because they haven't been used for centuries already. Always using plural forms with "they" is something that English speakers learn before formally learning what a plural is (that's why “I need to talk to Sam before they goes to the store” sounds wrong even to someone in primary school), but idiosyncratic redefinitions of grammar will always sound wrong to people who aren't used to them.

If your goal is to communicate effectively, you should avoid insisting on what can be easily (mis)interpreted as performative. If it isn't, then complaining about being misunderstood is trolling.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 15 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, someone with the name "dragonfucker" using "drag" as a first person pronoun definitely doesn't have the benefit of the doubt in my book.

And if you list your pronouns, you are in fact asking others to use them. I don't give a solitary shit what you call me, hence there not being any pronouns next to my name.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago

YDI. Replacing ungendered pronouns and insisting on their usage by others to refer to you is, at best, being annoying for its own sake. Like that fellow who insisted that their gender was 'droneself', or Phlubbadubba suddenly taking up Old English.

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[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 18 hours ago

Lol, you have other comments on your profile from like 2 days before this where you refer to yourself in normal pronouns, you can't even be consistent. If you legitimately held these opinions it'd be every time. Also the "I didn't tell anyone to use them" while having comments where you explicitly do just that

Your behaviour almost perfectly matches this super obsessed mega-MAGA dipshit I used to know, he'd go online and pretend to be a mega lefty in weird ways, then screenshot them on his normal accounts and use them as examples of "the insane left"

Is that you, Stan?

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Lol, you have other comments on your profile from like 2 days before this where you refer to yourself in normal pronouns, you can’t even be consistent.

You should probably quote those if you mention them

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 23 hours ago

A ban is too much. They can just ignore others, if their made up words confuse them. People make up words all the time. It's how language evolves. If someone ends up unable to communicate because of that, the situation will fix itself.

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[-] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I hope this doesn't come across as offensive (I appreciate that pronouns are something personal to the individual), but if I'm understanding correctly, drag is shorthand for dragon right? What about using the full word 'dragon' instead?

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