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https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c

FT article about it if you're interested

Edit: archive link

https://archive.ph/MtRm3

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[-] Barx@hexbear.net 89 points 2 months ago

The guy behind all of this is an Italian Marxist historian. His work is actually great. It's fascinating, often hilarious, and explicitly designed to piss off nationalists.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 57 points 2 months ago

Pizza is a prime example. β€œDiscs of dough topped with ingredients,” as Grandi calls them, were pervasive all over the Mediterranean for centuries: piada, pida, pita, pitta, pizza. But in 1943, when Italian-American soldiers were sent to Sicily and travelled up the Italian peninsula, they wrote home in disbelief: there were no pizzerias. Before the war, Grandi tells me, pizza was only found in a few southern Italian cities, where it was made and eaten in the streets by the lower classes.

[-] bubbalu@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

I just imagine a bunch of puffed up americans running around going 'Eyyyyy where's da fuckin' pizza we in italia ain't we huh?'

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago

The Italian government applied for Italian cuisine to be a UNESCO World Heritage Site

How the hell can mid food be considered a place? Italians proving once again to be the most annoying euros

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

food from italy isnt mid, you just think that because "italian"-americans call shit american food "italian"

Death to America

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago
[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

no im from the us

Death to America

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

It's mid because it's mid shrug-outta-hecks idk what Americans have to do with it

[-] bubbalu@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

Live in Mediterranean. Wheat is staple grain. wut?

[-] Person@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

If they make Italian cuisine a World Heritage Site before they declare video games to be a World Heritage Site I'm gonna be so pissed

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Gamer Gulags before then hopefully πŸ™

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

Don't worry anti-italian-action you'll always have gabagool

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pizza is Iranian (not joking earliest information about dish that was described to look like pizza are from Achaemenid Empire)

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

Probably older than that, the oldest pieces of flatbread are almost 15,000 years old, and it's not a big leap to put stuff on top of it

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 months ago

Most likely. This would still be somewhere in the fertile crescent though, not in Italia.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

mamma-mia where-a to-a the pizza-ria

[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

and it's not a big leap to put stuff on top of it

Nobody thought of putting anything on bread until the singular genius of the Earl of Sandwich.

Great Man Theory of History.

[-] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Pizza is Turkish!!! πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡· πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡· πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡·

[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

Wheaten dough with tomato on it post-dates the Columbian Exchange

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago
[-] REgon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago
[-] Edie@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Click the "upload image" button and choose a video?

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago
[-] REgon@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Huh never thought of it. Thanks!

[-] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

USA once again sweeps the cultural appropriation Olympics

[-] Piment@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It is an Italian marxist professor who claims this though bordiga-despair

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Is the argument that traditional Italian pizzas are expensive and eaten for an occasion and only the rich can afford to regularly eat woodfire pizzas while American slices are proletarian food?

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

No, the argument is that Pizza was a southern italian proletarian food:

Before the war, Grandi tells me, pizza was only found in a few southern Italian cities, where it was made and eaten in the streets by the lower classes.

Someone else is gonna have to work out how that makes it not italian.

[-] propter_hog@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Ew, gross, Sicilians? Definitely not Italian. 😀

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

It's anti-italian-action who gives a damn shrug-outta-hecks

[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

How to enrage Italians with this one simple trick.

I don’t care where it came from I wanna shove a slice in my mouthhole.

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

unironically correct. pizza was imported into the US with immigration from italy, primarily southern italy, at the end of the 19th century and then became more popular in italy than it ever had been during and after ww2 due to influence from american GIs stationed in italy

Death to America

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

Next you'll tell me that spaghetti and meatballs isn't italian at all rage-cry

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

That's Chinese which makes it Californian ergo

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

First they went after the legacy of Columbus and now this anti-italian-action

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Bro obviously Israel invented pizza. They needed something to put the cherry tomatoes on top of

[-] D61@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Having flashbacks to being in Germany, ordering pasta and a salad (maybe a seafood salad... it was a long time ago) from an Italian restaurant that delivered, and getting an aluminum baking pan with hot vegetables and tentacles.

Never figured out if i was being messed with or not. The pasta that I also ordered was chefs-kiss though.

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

I remember reading that FT piece, it made me realize how much of a meme italian "traditional" cuisine is

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago
[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 months ago
[-] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

after hearing me explain the particulars of my autism

mama mia, that's a spiky profile!

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago
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