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[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trudeau also commented on the form of electoral reform:

He said one of his mistakes was leaving the door open to proportional representation when he did not plan to pursue it. The other, he said, was “not using my majority to bring in the model that I wanted”—the ranked ballot.
Trudeau said he believes a ranked ballot is the most effective at reducing polarization because it causes parties to moderate their message in an effort to pitch to be the second choice of supporters of other parties.
However, the system was dismissed by many of the Liberals’ opponents who noted that as a centrist party the Liberals were likely to receive more second-choice votes and be the primary beneficiaries of such a model.

He regrets not using his first-past-the-post majority to push through a change to the electoral system that would mainly benefit his own party.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And he should. That was fucking stupid. I don't care if the Liberals would have benefited from from ranked choice vs prop rep, because either of those options would have been far, far better than first past the post. Perfect is the enemy of good, and because of their stupidity (and the stupidity of the NDP and other parties supporting electoral reform for not just saying "Fuck it, do whatever you want as long as it's not FPTP") we probably won't see another chance at this for a decade or more.

[–] ryper@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago

First-past-the-post does need to go, but what gets me is that Trudeau started an electoral reform process involving public consultations and buy-in from the other parties, and what he regrets is not that he shut it down when it wasn't going towards his preferred system, but that he didn't just skip all that and use his majority to implement his preferred aystem.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

First past the post has benefitted the Liberals more than any other party in federal politics. I read an analysis that said something like 65% of the elections where the popular vote was upside down to the MP count has been in Liberal majorities.

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Funny. I remember him saying it wasn't feasible to get something set up and working for the population when he first won his majority. Now, when he's so unpopular, look at what he says.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

Equality for mee but not for thee

[–] voluble@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago

An election must be in the air, he's saying the thing again.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe they should have passed electoral reform instead of just thinking about skeevy ways to hold onto power

[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trudeau wanted IRV because it benefits the Liberals. Everyone else wanted PR because it is fair.

Trudeau wasn’t willing to reconsider and IRV is not an upgrade over FPTP.

Forcing through IRV was not and is not a good idea.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

That's what I said

[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish STV came up in articles like this. I feel like it's the perfect system for Canada since it fits so naturally with our constitutionally-required geographic restrictions on seats for the provinces.

In short: all ridings are merged to have 3-5 seats* (same number in total as now). Parties can run as many candidates as there are seats. Cheers can give ranked votes to individuals or to parties. If someone gets 20/25/33% of the votes, they get a seat. If nobody does, the person with the least votes is eliminated, and their votes are distributed to the next-highest-ranked option. There's a bit of extra math for fractional votes to ensure fair splitting of next-choice votes that are "extra" beyond what's needed to win a seat.

No party lists/corruption by being beholden to the party. No regional shenanigans about representation from listless MMP. Roughly proportional representation locally so most Canadians will have an MP that represents their interests well, while still keeping fringe parties from fracturing things too much.

And it's been done successfully in Ireland for over a century, too, so it's well tested.

*The territories would effectively just get ranked ballot (= STV with 1-seat ridings) to ensure they retain 1 seat each.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

STV

Single Transferrable Vote.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Sexually Transmitted Virus?

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Second (City) TV

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same old conversations about elections ...

Non-election period (which usually lasts years): .... we need to talk about electoral reform but we have time so we'll ignore it for now

Election period (which usually lasts months): ... we need to talk about electoral reform but we don't have time to do anything about it

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Part of the problem is that every party wants a different form of electoral reform. This means either one rams it through with a majority and the others spend forever calling foul or they just bicker amongst themselves forever.

[–] a9249@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago

He's still in power. Could ram it through right now...