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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

Much like a lot of Gen X, some of the older Millennials in my life (particularly the white working professionals) are parroting the age old mantra of "I don't care about passing my skills on to the younger generations or helping those in need, no one ever helped me in my life.". My response is always "That's not a good thing!" because I never know what to say. Debate is not my strength.

My working class grandparents were never like this. They lived through the great depression and two wars and never wanted anyone to suffer as much as they did. I miss them and their kindness dearly. It's only from boomers and younger that I've seen this attitude. Capitalism is crushing our instincts as a social species. If we can't stand on the shoulders of giants... well then we will stop advancing as a species. We will stagnate and go extinct because the challenges we face now need all of us. It goes against everything that is human to be this alienated and antagonistic to one another. Particularly frightening is the hatred and contempt modern society has towards children.

This is not going to end well.

I appreciate all the people here, whether you're 20 or 60, for not becoming the thing that hurt you. We need people with a soul more than ever.

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[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago

It's really sad. It's like the material conditions making us unable to take care of children has alienated us from children in general.

Like the people who can care for children now either have them unplanned or are wealthy enough to do so and have some of the worst political views.

Then you throw in the way children are already treated like possessions and it gets that much harder to connect with younger generations.

It doesn't make it right, and I want to support the people around me regardless of age, but times are desperate right now and capitalism incentivizes short- sighted selfishness and self preservation.

It makes me really sad because I can see the material conditions for younger generations are so much worse than mine.

I didn't have mass shooter drills or a high school graduation on zoom. I had reliable resources I could access online without as much fear of predation. I didn't witness depressingly clear public executions and climate disasters on my phone and then get told I needed to study more for a job that won't be there.

They don't need the false hope peddled by liberal politicians. They need solidarity from those of us who were where they are right now. Like yeah, shit sucks, but I want them to get through this and hopefully continue to fight for the better world that we know is possible.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago

I think a lot of people forget what it was like to be a kid

To just feel everything so much because everything is new and your brain is just this wad of rubber bouncing around like a bullet ricocheting off the inside of your skull

Like, yeah, I get it, it can be irritating sometimes, but have you ever just spent time with a kid?

To remember what it like when you could have fun just by running around and screaming?

God, kids are great

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago

Every day, I become more familiar with how the hippies became neocons. The toxic individualism innate to burgerland culture is a plague that corrodes our empathy.

[-] Sausage@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago

The other young millennials that I go to evening school with are literally repeating 2012 gender memes and communism is when no iPhone. Don’t place your hope in a generation. Plenty of people in 1920s Germany grew up poor and hungry and enough of them turned to the Nazis.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Fair enough. It just sucks to see

[-] Sausage@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

Tell me about it. I’m lucky enough to have parents supporting me, and that I’m a shut in and don’t usually have to listen to the crazy shit people are saying.

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[-] DisabledAceSocialist@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm an older millennial. My experience might not be typical since it was caused by serious illness as well as capitalism. When I was young I was idealistic and wanted to make the world a better place. I wanted to fight for human equality and animal rights, I really thought this is what I came to earth for. I worked a few different jobs, donating a chunk of my paychecks to causes I care about while trying to find out how to get more involved.

But then I got cancer, and the treatment caused me to have a stroke, which left me partially sighted and learning to walk again. I'm still in cancer treatment, it makes me exhausted and brain foggy, and I've developed chronic, severe migraines. But what makes this a million times worse is the UK benefit system. I can't work any longer and had to sign on for disability benefits. They re-assess me frequently, and make me go through MRs and appeals. Last time I provided letters of support from my GP, physiotherapist, ophthalmologist and mental health team (because I've developed depression and anxiety from this constant stress, it got so bad I made a suicide attempt and am now in therapy). I also provided letters of support from a carer and social worker. Somehow at my last assessment I was awarded zero points. Now I'm going through appeal. My overdraft is maxxed out, I have no money, just debt.

This means my entire life now revolves around desperately trying to stay fed, while being extremely unwell and undergoing regular horrible medical treatments. My entire mental and physical energy are taken up with trying to find food, desperately trying to access food banks (difficult and time consuming), fight my appeal. I've taken to outright begging and shoplifting. I've been stealing food items from the local supermarket, one day in desperation I even sat in the street and asked passersby for spare change. I recently begged for money here on hexbear and a couple of kind souls gave me enough for some food. But every time someone charitable helps me get food, it of course always runs out and when it does it's back to begging, shoplifting and starving. All for the crime of getting cancer.

You know what's even more stupid? due to chronic starvation I developed multiple vitamin and mineral deficiencies, diagnosed by blood tests after I fainted in the street and someone called an ambulance. So now the NHS pays for me to have supplements. But the country won't ensure me an income so I can buy food. How stupid is this! They won't give me money, so I starve to the point I collapse and instead of doing the reasonable thing and ensuring I have food, they let me continue to starve but give me some vitamin pills. This worls is just absolutely sick.

So now I have no physical or mental energy to fight to make the world a better place. I feel completely hopeless, and like the world itself is hopeless because there are many people in an even worse situation than me. Millions, maybe billions. It's all so overwhelming.

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Please, please, please continue to use our mutual aid com any time you need it. It infuriates me that you've been so mistreated by the NHS.

[-] DisabledAceSocialist@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Thanks but I feel bad about using it again when so many others are there needing help. Also I'm worried people might get compassion fatigue from me if I use it too often. I am pretty desperate though, I don't know. How often do you think is OK?
The NHS has let me down even worse than that - it took them three and a half years to diagnose my cancer. They refused to do any tests initially, saying I was "too young for it to be anything serious." They diagnosed me with depression and gave me antidepressants. When that didn't work they said I was a hypochondriac. Meanwhile I was slowly dying of cancer. Also when I was finally diagnosed they said the recommended treatment didn't have any side effects. Then when I had a stroke and developed heart problems they were like "Oh yeah those are side effects of your meds."

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Thanks but I feel bad about using it again when so many others are there needing help. Also I'm worried people might get compassion fatigue from me if I use it too often. I am pretty desperate though, I don't know. How often do you think is OK?

As often as you need. That is what it's there for and we will never, ever get tired of it. If you need it, you need it and you should never feel guilty or shy about using it. Please.

Also when I was finally diagnosed they said the recommended treatment didn't have any side effects. Then when I had a stroke and developed heart problems they were like "Oh yeah those are side effects of your meds."

Jesus that sounds like severe malpractice.

[-] DisabledAceSocialist@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

I certainly do feel I've experienced a huge amount of medical malpractice but I simply don't have the energy or strength to do anything about it. The thought of taking on a ;egal case or something that would probably drag on for years is too much. It's hard enough keeping up with the benefit appeal.

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[-] VARXBLE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I see consequences of this in my workplace weirdly enough. There's been a huge brain drain in recent years that was accelerated through the pandemic, and then again by egregious financial mismanagement by leadership that really fucked us and of course the workers at the bottom all paid for it.

Training materials were last updated like 15 years ago, the systems we use have all undergone massive changes rendering those completely useless. Everyone's crunched because we have less employees, and the new employees all need to be really baby sat and have things explained to them, because there's no other way for them to gain the knowledge how to do their jobs other than having one of the few employees who are still here to walk them through these things and take on the role of teacher and full time tutor while still managing their increasing workload.

It fucking sucks ass and of course all the older employees are jaded and bitter about it, but its become this self perpetuating cycle of incompetence, crunch, and catch up because no one wants/has the capacity now to put in the work in up front to get some sort of training materials set up for new workers - but that just means that same work will end up being done in a much more frustrating and crushing way of constantly dealing with simple mistakes.

This was kinda a tangent, but the problem and solution are so obvious - but there's no collective will to try and improve this for all of us to make our lives simpler, so people end up instead becoming so bitter and resentful of each other rather than the fucks who refuse to address this issue above us. And I get it - its so fucking frustrating dealing with this shit and having it grind you down in the context of a workplace, of course people want to be like "fuck this I'm just hanging around until I'm stable enough to fuck off somewhere better."

I see this same shit playing out in society with people having the same attitude. I don't know what to do about it, and I don't like it. I do my part trying to build solidarity, but fuck me if it ain't a one way street that ends up feeling like wasted effort most of the time.

Edit: multiple spelling and gramatic errors because me mad

[-] Paradachshund@lemmy.today 24 points 1 month ago

I'm a younger millennial and I sometimes hate how jaded and cynical I feel these days. I'm ultimately an idealist, and I try not to close myself off, but there are definitely days when I'm sad to see that side of myself come out so strongly.

I'm also really sad to see how many people around my age or a little older are genuinely shaking their heads and wringing their hands over the what "the youth" are up to these days. People have short memories.. I remember all of my generation being shit on not that long ago in the same way. I think the youth are doing great, and I refuse to condescend them.

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[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Older millennial here: what are these “skills” you speak of?

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna teach the kids how to dumpsack properly

And if that doesn't work, upgrade to a higher tier incendiary

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I don't want to dox them. Corporate artist

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[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

That's not a good thing!" because I never know what to say. Debate is not my strength.

ironicly enough, i think thats the best thing one can say to that . Its not a real accusation , nor a real appeal .. its just an aknowledgment of it beeing not optimal . Also you describte the Situation "that is not a good thing" , instead of making it personal "you dont do a good thing by that , DOnt You KnOW?"

[-] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

It's the complete intolerance from our generation towards both children and the elderly that really gets me. It's like people are in denial about their own mortality, and angrily reject anything that might remind them of it. In my experience this is an especially anglo thing. Sick culture.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

Millenials becoming what they hated the most:

Boomers.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

I suspect it's the divide and conquer 1%er propaganda as well.

[-] newmou@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Yeah idk everyone is depressed

[-] heatenconsumerist@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

This is not going to end well.

That's the entire fucking point. If you are currently suffering from Capitalism, REVOLT OR DIE

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

:yea: I wish I knew how to undo the hold capitalist propaganda has on people

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[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

"Do you want the world to be worse or better? Because that attitude makes it worse. Even from the point of laziness, why wouldn't you want to train up young people so you don't have to do pointless boring shit?"

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

I'm just to burnt out from all my jobs to do much more then helping my people and my limited community service.

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

What kind of work are you in? I've found that pretty much everyone I interact with are more than happy to explain what they are doing if you ask. But I mostly work with tradespeople, so electricians, plumbers, smiths etc. Is it a white collar thing?

[-] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Definitely any job with managers these days.

[-] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

yeah, white professionals are going to be spoiled brats, no matter what generation they are.

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