The interesting thing is how people find ways around my politics filter all the time by using abbreviations. Is there no way to keep politics to the politics channels folks?
This is the funniest shit I've ever seen.
I knew Harris would wipe the floor, but this is incredible.
The immigrants are eating our pets\s
It would be funnier if there wasn't a sizeable percentage of people who support the cheetoh. There is still a real chance of that demented racist pos winning come november.
With any luck, that number just got smaller, even if by just a little bit.
Something I noticed is that even Twitter was making fun of Trump. I never thought I'd see that happen.
EXECUTE THE BABY was trending for at least a little bit
ABC gave Trump a massive handicap but he still managed to shoot himself in the foot a few times. Even the moderator roasted him once or twice.
I am here for transgender alien prison surgeries
Throwing all the taking points into a bucket. I bet those prisoners are also learning critical race theory.
The moderator are giving Trump so much time. They won't control him at all.
got the feeling he is not using it for his own benefit
Absolutely bonkers they won't enforce the rules. Mute his mic and ignore him.
I haven't verified it but I read on another post that the Harris campaign specifically asked for the mics to be left on during this debate. If that's true, it stands to reason that she wanted them to be lenient with Trump, so that now he can't pull the "They didn't let me talk!" bullshit when talking about his less than stellar (generous way of putting it) performance.
Yes, and he still lost handedly. That extra time was all rambles and nonsense. I think in the end it was better.
(Yes, I still would have preferred they muted him, ultimately).
What does it mean to lose? I guarantee that Trump supporters disagree.
He’s a compulsive liar who’s angry at things he’s fabricated for his own benefit. How the fuck is he even being considered for the job?
It didn’t matter what the question was, Trump kept turning it back to immigration. He’s only got one talking point, and it’s based on fear of the other.
Trump looked more incoherent this time than in the previous debates, what with the "immigrants are coming to eat your pets" line and other zingers like post-birth abortion nonsense. There were also some weird moments where he said stuff like "Kamala hates Israel," prompting her to go off on her undying loyalty to Israel.
Harris was overall more presentable, but had some horrible policy moments, such as repeating debunked claims about sexual assault on October 7th as she restated her undying loyalty to Israel (which could materially cost her Michigan as Muslim voters are turning to Stein and Cornel West over Harris), or stating that Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath and promising to never ban fracking in the next, along with bragging about gas production.
Overall it's a clear "win" for Harris over Trump if we are purely measuring debate performance, Harris looked far better and answered more coherently, though her environmental positions, immigration positions, and foreign policy are far to the right of where they should be, especially concerning swing state polling.
That is, of course, ignoring my personal disdain for liberalism and both candidates in general for being far-right, this is purely an analysis of the debate within the context of the election.
this pretty much sums it up. I thought trump would be incoherent, but some of the stuff out of his mouth was borderline surreal. Harris had completely tuned herself to 'beat' trump, and while it worked, it's painfully clear that she doesn't have a single original thought - nothing but platitudes, the same canned phrases about working families and small businesses, same tired defence of Israel.
That pretty much sums them up nicely. Both represent the two sides of dying Empire.
Trump is a bit of a wrecking ball, his far-right populist rhetoric appeals to rising material frustrations with the Petite Bourgeoisie, ie small business owners and the like, along nationalist lines. Strong aesthetic patriotism, lack of consistency or coherence, promises of restoring grander times and power. General far-right nonsense that sees dying Empire as it is, but blaming it on immigrants and minorities instead of addressing material conditions.
Harris is plucked straight from the stock-standard Empire maintainers. Her policies are largely Biden's promises carried over, with firm Imperialist support for Israel and "the most lethal military in the world." She isn't attempting to appeal to fascists, but she is trying to appeal to those with vested interest in maintaining Imperial Hegemony. Small concessions and frequent doublespeak - claiming Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath, then boldly taking pride in record gas production and promising to never ban fracking in the next. She's more coherent, which ironically makes the double-speak stand out clearer.
It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.
His fans will say he won and looked powerful. He didn’t, but they won’t care.
Wish he’d been pressed more about killing the immigration bill. Every time he complained about it, remind him that he killed the immigration bill.
Wish Orban wasn’t a diplomatic conflict. Trump saying Orban endorsed him should have been a liability but you probably can’t outright call him a wannabe dictator.
I doubt it changes the mind of too many people who already had a preference, but maybe a few hopefully. Somehow there are undecided people, I hope they saw it plainly. I don’t think there was much that will hurt Harris from it. She performed very well.
I don’t think there was much that will hurt Harris from it. She performed very well.
She was articulate, well-spoken, performed well unscripted, and next to Trump she looked like she had her shit very together.
Mexican here. Can confirm that we have plenty of stray dogs and cats here to eat. We have plenty of pet dogs and cats to eat too, but it's troublesome to deal with their owners/masters. Don't worry about us, we won't go there to eat your pets. I wish my fellow countrymen wouldn't have to go there and expose themselves to be treated this unfairly.
Who woulda guessed the former prosecutor out performed the convicted felon
I thought it was funny how Trump was just nodding along while Harris was saying that people often leave his rallies due to boredom. Also, him basically outright saying that immigration has never happened in the history of the country, along with the other nonsensical things he's said.
24 comments, zero about the American/Israeli genocide. Stay classy yanks!
I'm not American so my opinion doesn't matter, but anyways..
Harris obviously better than the deranged lunatic Trump. I don't think much more needs to be said on that.
Harris is still a liberal/centrist though and I'm a leftist so I disagree with many parts of her platform.
Pain, absolute pain. Can we please not have another debate?
We can tie that in with shorter campaign seasons too.
I streamed it while I was working on other things but I thought it was pretty hilarious. Kamala seemed to be intentionally pushing Trumps buttons to derail him and he just could not accept that he is not universally loved.
Honestly though, given how Trump lies and Kamala was putting on a show the whole thing seemed so cynical and pointless. I've watched every presidential and vice presidential debate since Bush Jr.'s second term even in the "good ol' days" when it wasn't just a sound bite circus very rarely was a president even able to achieve the lofty goals they pitched the American people on.
The whole thing is farcical in 2024. The lack of shared reality the Trump era has ushered in makes it next to impossible to trust anything a politician says. Kamala had spunk and moxy and was very down to earth and likeable, but policy wise she made a lot of statements the presidency doesn't have the power to deliver on. Even with the insane power the supreme court gave the executive branch a few months ago.
Trump was Trump. It's pretty clear how much his brain has rotted when you compare this debate with the one he had with Clinton. But otherwise you can't trust a single word he says. His position on any matter is irrelevant because he'll retcon it later if it's inconvenient. Meanwhile Kamala vowed to continue helping our frenemies do some ethnic cleansing and spent most of the debate posturing for the idiots to stupid to already have an opinion.
Was working during the debate, but caught a few seconds of it here and there while delivering.
Trump looked really tired, like he missed his afternoon bump.
Kamala looked like a fighter in her prime.
Just a shallow perspective from someone who tried to avoid the debate as much as possible.
trumps only vision is division
They should do another debate next week between two people who are not running and can actually answer questions and talk about policy. Just to show us what we could have. Elizabeth Warren vs Mitt Romney.
Then a Bill Clinton vs George W Bush rematch.
He dodged every question successfully and neither Kamala nor the moderators did a decent job pinpointing it.
That he comes out with a statement of having a concept of a plan just shows me how much freedom were granted for his weird and insane mind.
Imagine beeing in any relationship with him. I have no sympathy for people who are willingly.
The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[60][61] On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates' campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would "perpetrate a fraud on the American voter" and that the organization did not intend to "become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."[62][63] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[64] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[65]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Women_Voters
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Didn't watch it, but the headlines, posts and memes are prime choice so far!
But one thing I haven't seen mentiones yet is something I only stumbled upon when a browser was showing headline snippets. Harris outright said that both she and Walz are gun owners, they're not "taking anyone's guns" and outright told that orange turd to stop with his blatant lies. As a blue gun owner...then fills me with joy.
I can't believe that these are the best two people that the US can produce right now.
Trump brought nothing but fear
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