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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hamas is known to have redundancies in place for cases like this. What is the goal of this? It seems like this is just going to create a Martyr, and won't materially benefit Israel, just sour peace talks (unless that's their aim).

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think the goal is to provoke a war with Iran. Netanyahu just got back from US where he presumably got the green light for it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

Would make sense, sadly. We will see.

[–] sparkle@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That sounds like a terrible decision to make considering 50% of Israelis live in the 30 most populated cities, cities which are all clustered together and very bombable... then again, I don't think jets from the late 70s would fare well against Israel's very modern air defenses. An ancient F-14 or a MiG-29 would probably spontaneously collapse at the sight of a Patriot SAM operated by Israel.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

What gave you the idea that Netanyahu cares about Israelis?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Iran already defeated said defences pretty easily with not even their best missiles just few months ago.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They haven't been behaving rationally for some time.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on what's considered "rational." They've been successful as a genocidal settler-colonial ethnostate, but I think they are getting increasingly desparate as the international community notices their cracking mask.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i think 'rational' is sticking to the two-state solution. 'Liberal' Zionism is fading away.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If we are actually trying to solve the root cause of the conflict, then the only answer is a dissolution of the Israeli state, replacing it with a single, all-encompasing secular state with minority protections, and equal citizenship rights for Palestinians and Israelis. This won't stop the new state from being a dog of US Imperial interests, of course, but would cease the genocide.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

yea ik, I was talking from the Israeli Zionist perspective. Of course, a one state solution is the best solution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Ah, gotcha. Well, for Zionists, acknowledging Palestinian Statehood ends their settler-colonial aspirations, so they won't do it. They need to get the US fully involved in a broader Middle East war.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Then their perspective is different, because Isn'treal oppose even the two state solution at every step.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly, there are too much religious nutjobs for this to work

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They believe they're better and should have more rights than other people

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why do they have these views?

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd probably need to ask them.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not really, their material conditions are what drives the conflict. End the aparthied regime and with it the largest factors in division crumble, over time feelings will fade.

It certainly won't be simple, easy, or immediate, but it is the only valid path to lasting peace. Everthing else keeps the core problems intact.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's in their religious texts

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are people born with a genetic predisposition towards accepting religious texts? Why are some populations more or less dogmatically religious?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most are taught by their parents

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Again, what causes a shift in dogmatism over time?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Access to education and societal tolerance to critical thinking?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Closer! Access to education helps, certainly. Social tolerance for critical thinking, however, stems from material conditions as well, however.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's a pretty naive take. There are plenty of rich religious fundamentalists, and plenty of poor atheists. And plenty of rich societies with very little tolerance for critical thinking

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't mean wealth when I say "material conditions," I mean the whole of how society is organized and the class dynamics that exist within it.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Religion is barely a factor.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

He was suing for a ceasefire. Can't have that.

[–] Sauvandu60@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Clearly israel is not interested with negotiation.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago