Depends on what's considered "rational." They've been successful as a genocidal settler-colonial ethnostate, but I think they are getting increasingly desparate as the international community notices their cracking mask.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i think 'rational' is sticking to the two-state solution. 'Liberal' Zionism is fading away.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If we are actually trying to solve the root cause of the conflict, then the only answer is a dissolution of the Israeli state, replacing it with a single, all-encompasing secular state with minority protections, and equal citizenship rights for Palestinians and Israelis. This won't stop the new state from being a dog of US Imperial interests, of course, but would cease the genocide.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

yea ik, I was talking from the Israeli Zionist perspective. Of course, a one state solution is the best solution.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Ah, gotcha. Well, for Zionists, acknowledging Palestinian Statehood ends their settler-colonial aspirations, so they won't do it. They need to get the US fully involved in a broader Middle East war.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Then their perspective is different, because Isn'treal oppose even the two state solution at every step.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sadly, there are too much religious nutjobs for this to work

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They believe they're better and should have more rights than other people

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why do they have these views?

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You'd probably need to ask them.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not really, their material conditions are what drives the conflict. End the aparthied regime and with it the largest factors in division crumble, over time feelings will fade.

It certainly won't be simple, easy, or immediate, but it is the only valid path to lasting peace. Everthing else keeps the core problems intact.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's in their religious texts

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are people born with a genetic predisposition towards accepting religious texts? Why are some populations more or less dogmatically religious?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Most are taught by their parents

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Again, what causes a shift in dogmatism over time?

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Access to education and societal tolerance to critical thinking?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Closer! Access to education helps, certainly. Social tolerance for critical thinking, however, stems from material conditions as well, however.

[–] nonailsleft@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty naive take. There are plenty of rich religious fundamentalists, and plenty of poor atheists. And plenty of rich societies with very little tolerance for critical thinking

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I don't mean wealth when I say "material conditions," I mean the whole of how society is organized and the class dynamics that exist within it.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Religion is barely a factor.