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[-] axont@hexbear.net 74 points 3 months ago

The problem with this is how stratified and disjointed American society is. Yeah, a lot of people in the US have something to lose. It's pretty common to have a fairly normal life with access to plumbing, clean water, and a high school education.

But for people like a homeless black family in a poor area of town, society has already collapsed. They already live in a fascist police state. Not to pull out the Stalin quote, but it's hard for me to imagine what freedoms are being enjoyed by those currently in extreme poverty.

Could it get worse? Yeah and it probably will.

[-] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 70 points 3 months ago

If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; maybe it'll ease the boot off the Palestinians' necks," all I can say is that I hope you're right and I hope you're prepared.

If your position is, "bring on the US collapse; I mean how much worse can it actually get?" you probably have no clue what you're talking about unless you've personally spent time in a war zone or lived through Katrina or something like that.

One of the things that struck me while studying the Russian revolution is just how much of an academic relationship we communists have to major periods of historical change. From our position it's way easier to imagine ourselves in the room with Lenin trying to make a tough decision on agricultural policy than it is to imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army...

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago

Speaking of Katrina, does Houston have power yet?

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 42 points 3 months ago

Yes finally, my family didn't have any for a fucking week in that heat

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

meow-hug

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I've lived in Houston, I can imagine how miserable it was.

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

Yeah I was just trying to say the "how much worse can it get?" People are being myopic, coming from someone who has been to the poor parts of India, Nepal, and Mexico, and China pre economic surge.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

Lots of those places are bad because of American and western colonialism and imperialism in the first place. Focusing only on American domestic situation is chauvinism and is the actual privileged position, aping and pretending to be thinkin of the littlefolk when it's really just nativist masturbation

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[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

Why does this imagination mind game mean anything at all? We're not "in an academic relationship" we are self-conscious proletariat aware of our world-historical role. It is our job to destroy the imperialist machine from within. The navel-gazing is irrelevant. One way or the other the only way forward for humanity is the destruction and implosion of the US.

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[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 months ago

imagine stretching your food store through a region-wide famine and crop failure, or watching your family all catch cholera, or getting shot by the white army…

If hardship is necessary for a better future, it's necessary. But people should contemplate what that hardship will actually look like and understand what they're actually advocating.

Socialism is a mass project: educating the masses and gaining their support. People will endure hardship if it's necessary and they understand why it's necessary, but they'll fight if it's imposed from above with indifference or flippancy.

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

My position is that my hoping one way or another probably doesn't have much influence on the outcome.

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 56 points 3 months ago

Man I should really tone down my posting or it might actually cause the American state to collapse. Thanks, that was close one

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

Well you specifically are just that powerful sir

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 48 points 3 months ago

It's not something you can ever be ready for. There's not much to do ruight now except organize where you can and try to find humor amidst the horror.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 45 points 3 months ago

there will be no revolutionary potential until the conditions worsen, and their worsening is inevitable, so

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 44 points 3 months ago

it can always get worse

it can always get better

it's never profound to point this out

"it can always get worse" is usually being used to shut people up

so on the rare occasion that it's not, don't be surprised when people don't respond to it well

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago

the rallying cry of the reformist lib. yawn.

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[-] 2812481591@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago

If you're in a house that's on fire, and all the exits are locked, yes, it will get worse... But do you expect people to be excited when you say team blue is fighting hard to make sure you will be have access to buy a fire extinguisher with a 50% tax credit 2 years from now?

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 26 points 3 months ago

I think the point is more that the house is not yet on fire. Currently for most Americans it's more like the house has a leaky roof and it smells of dead rats in the walls. We're nowhere near the house on fire yet.

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[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

At some point worsening conditions just results in the US rehashing evil shit it's already turned into an art form. Roving bands of vigilantes rounding up undesirables and committing unspeakable violence against them? What little public safety nets exist being completely shredded in favor of a little more profit for some finance vampire? Living under constant threat of global nuclear war?

That's just us replaying our greatest hits. The victims of the last rounds are mostly still around, they can tell you all about how fascist this country has been for its entire existence. Rhetoric among the people reflects the conditions they live under, not the other way around.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago

I mean the second poster isn’t wrong. Public schools in America are badly underfunded outside of select suburbs that lean more white. And I say select suburbs because I remember living in the US and even some of the whiter districts had iffy funding. The white and rich districts had the top public schools.

[-] TemutheeChallahmet@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

Yes but right now the worst public schools are still where the kids can depend on for possibly their sole meal of the day, socialization, donated goods, free life enriching activities, daycare when parents are working, respite from abusive environments, etc. even if all of these are sub par. This completely collapsing would be manifold worse than it still running on fumes.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Public schools have fired lunch room workers for giving kids with outstanding lunch bills food. What you're referencing is exactly as frogmanfromlake said it is - some schools do that , many already do not.

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Still not doing the whole performative optimism thing

[-] Tom742@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, be quiet you whiners, it can always get worse.

/s

[-] Procapra@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Wow, just wow. This post has entirely changed my view point on the United States. Thank you. I can now vote for our supreme leader without thinking about the mutilated corpses of Palestinian children.

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[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Damn, I wasn't aware we had a nag in our presence.

[-] lil_tank@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago

Sure, the US could have the Spanish Inquisition randomly torture people, yeah I guess that would actually be much worse

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

conversely, copers always seem to have some further pale perpetually unmet it's always impossible to analyze conditions as though they are legitimately bad because the rich parts of the country don't experience those, and somewhere else's poorest poor are poorer. do we not talk about poverty in afghanistan because some people there have nice conditions? should we ignore poverty in mexico because libya & palestine are worse? if it's ridiculous logic to apply elsewhere, there have to be limits on US exceptionalism-distortion of real analysis

[-] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

some further pale perpetually unmet

I think all pales should be unmet anti-cracker-aktion

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

i haven't met anyone in like 6 years

im-doing-my-part

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[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

One of the things about life is that it’s never so bad that it can’t get worse.

[-] HumongousChungus@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

ok so are you getting ready or...

[-] StalinStan@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

It will always get worse. They is no point in pretending things will get better doing what has already not worked.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago
[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

vote for joe biden

[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Merica’s getting worse because you pricks keep complaining.

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