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[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 215 points 1 year ago

I’m sharing this article because it changed my perception of Jordan Peterson, and exposed him as intellectually dishonest at best and more likely a fraud artist. Starting with essentially his dissertation. It is a long read but it is incredibly well researched and written:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

[-] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 year ago

This video from Some More News really highlights all of Jordans bullshit. It's long as fuck but I enjoyed every minute of it

https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=WIrG2o3Qa5iqJwEP

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[-] Staccato@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The article was a fun read, but for readers who don't have time, I believe Orwell's essay "Politics and the English Language" describes the same problem with marginally fewer words. My favorite excerpt, though, really nails exactly the BS your article mentioned:

Now that I have made this catalogue of swindles and perversions, let me give another example of the kind of writing that they lead to. This time it must of its nature be an imaginary one. I am going to translate a passage of good English into modern English of the worst sort. Here is a well-known verse from Ecclesiastes:

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Here it is in modern English:

Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

This is a parody, but not a very gross one.

Peterson's writings are worse than Orwell's own parodies.

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[-] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I was going to just call him a wanker.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a good article. I'll admit that Jordan Peterson is a good psychologist and knows many words and stories, he can make many people feel smart or dumb through his incantations of nonsense. But that's it, all the rest of it is bunk.

His essays read like an anthology of writings someone made to finish a book report due tomorrow, after not sleeping for 3 days yet somehow feeling wide awake from the crazed panic.

Also see this screenshot on Firefox Mobile (Est. reading time 63 - 81min). Readers will be well-advised to skim over the copious amount of Jordan Peterson excerpts. Lol.

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[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 157 points 1 year ago

My favourite Jordan Peterson story is how he got himself addicted to benzodiazepines and then felt he knew better than all of western science so he flew over to Russia to be put into a medically induced coma to overcome withdrawals since it was “too hard on him”

Unsurprisingly, the procedure had many complications and left him requiring extra medical attention for him to recover from the procedure.

Wonder if he ever kicked his benzo habit…

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 75 points 1 year ago

You forgot the best part. Before doing that he was (and probably still is) against medicating yourself out of addictions because it's the "easy way out". His entire shtick is about the right way of living and then he acts contrarily to his own teachings.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Rules for thee, not for me

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[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago

My favorite is when someone asked him "Do you believe in God" and he was caught between his reputation as an "intellectual" and the fact that the apes he grifts are gonna hoot extra loud and fling extra poo if he says no. Recognizing that he was between a rock and a hard place, he gave one of the most amusing non-responses I've ever heard in my life. What he said was, from memory, "That depends on what you mean by 'do', 'you', 'believe' and 'God'." He then blathered on for a minute about how he thinks of God as a symbol for the human capacity for goodness and he believes in that, and no one asked why the symbol for the human capacity for goodness hates trans people and needs money, so everyone left satisfied.

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago

He’s an “intellectual” to idiots and a moron to anyone with some critical thinking capacity

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

He's the perfect post-modern intellectual, which is rather funny when you consider how anti-postmodernism he is. He's a media image of an intellectual, all big words and expensive suits, but his big words don't really mean anything. The fucking "chaos dragon of feminity" is a hilariously stupid concept that rivals the shit Freud came up with when the cocaine was extra pure, but they eat it up. He and the rest of the so-called "intellectual dark web" provide a thin veneer of logic and rationality to the visceral hate that the alt right runs on, and it makes sense to people who really want and need it to make sense. He gives people the ability to be led around by their emotions and still feel like not only are they not being ruled by fear, but that they're actually on a level above everyone who doesn't accept the "cold hard truth" that we all need to be racist, homophobic, xenophobic and basically terrified all of the time.

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[-] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Realising how precarious a pedestal the far right built him would be a rare moment of self awareness. He's B-grade meat to them, so they'd Milo him in a heartbeat.

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[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 107 points 1 year ago

I think it remains to be seen whether he's learned anything.

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure he's "learned" anything. Good article otherwise!

[-] Dienervent@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago

Good article?

The comments that formed the basis of the complaints against Dr. Peterson included comments on a podcast in which he commented on air pollution and child deaths by saying “it’s just poor children…”

This quote is the most disgusting out of context character assassination I've seen in a long time.

I got suspicious because while Jordan does say things that women and/or trans people often find deplorable. I know that he's a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric) and as a family man I assume of children as well.

The full context can be found on Spotify. Episode #1769 of "The Joe Rogan Experience" start from about 15:30. He's the one that brings up how 7 million poor children die from indoor particulate pollution. Joe doesn't believe him and gets a fact check, which eventually leads to Jordan sarcastically saying "Well, it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway..."

It's such an insane mischaracterization of what he said, you can't take the article seriously. Probably would have to write off the entire website that article is from, honestly.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 year ago

I think Jordon Peterson is a giant pile of shit, but you're being downvoted for calling out a shitty article for misrepresenting obvious sarcasm, and that's bullshit. Misinformation is misinformation regardless of whether or not it confirms our bias, if the Fediverse community doesn't want to learn this it has no business pointing at misinformation on other platforms like Reddit.

[-] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

How can we expect anyone to critically examine the media they consume if we fail to do the same when it suits us? Peterson is a flaming pile of pseudo-intellectual garbage, but there's plenty of ways to prove that without intentionally taking sound bites out of context.

That and body shaming people you don't like really aggravate me. Shit humans do shit things, attack that and leave the rest alone.

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[-] gianni@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago

Please read this: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

Not only does Jordan Peterson say dumb inflammatory shit, but he’s also apparently an intellectual fraud.

[-] nicktron@kbin.social 26 points 1 year ago

He’s a horrible piece of shit regardless of what that article says.

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[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

he's a strong supporter of the poor (at least in rhetoric)

"Well, it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyway..."

Never mind how laughable that first quote is, it is inherently incompatible with the second, since the entire Malthusian myth is based in classist eugenics

https://usfblogs.usfca.edu/sustainability/2023/04/20/overconsumption-not-overpopulation-debunking-the-overpopulation-myth-and-eco-fascism/

https://www.theworldmind.org/home/2021/12/10/the-dangerous-myth-of-overpopulation

https://www.globaljustice.org.uk/blog/2019/03/how-racist-myths-built-population-growth-bogey-man/

Imagine still jumping to the defence of this bigoted useless grifter... 🤦‍♀️😂

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[-] Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 year ago

If we all followed the teachings of jordan peterson we would be living in a world perfectly suited to jordan peterson. I would sooner live in a world which made jordan peterson suicidal.

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[-] bloopernova@programming.dev 32 points 1 year ago

What is it with those guys and insultingly weak legal arguments?

"I was off duty as a psychologist when I made public statements".

[-] decerian@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Off duty, but still fully willing to be introduced as a clinical psychologist at the start of the podcast, and to consistently refer to himself as a practicing clinical psychologist in these interviews.

He wants to have it both ways clearly

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

Nobody is forcing him to be a member of the profession – to paraphrase one of his tweets that was complained about “You’re free to leave [the profession] at any point.”

Jordan Peterson really is free to leave the profession - he doesn't need the money. Meanwhile a psychologist who isn't independently wealthy can't express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood. I don't think "only the rich can exercise freedom of speech" is good policy.

[-] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile a psychologist who isn’t independently wealthy can’t express controversial opinions without risking his livelihood

Oh fuck off with that. The opinion he expressed was, and I quote, (about child deaths) "it's just poor children, and the world has too many people on it anyways". A licensed medical professional should never say something like that, period, even in jest.

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[-] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

And again people don't grok what "freedom of speech" entails.

You can speak all you like. If what you say pisses people off, they can avoid you all they like, up to and including MOTHERFUCKING EMPLOYMENT.

Freeze Peach idiots need to grow the Hell up!

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

People forget that free speech also includes freedom of association. You can say what you want but others have the freedom to choose not to associate with you because of it.

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[-] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 17 points 1 year ago

He isn't free to leave the profession because part of his con is that he is using his professional status when he writes something or says something as a psychologist.

His worth as a propagandist is that he can attach that professional status to his messages, if it's "disgraced" psychologist, or "struck off" psychologist then it has less impact because he has been found to have broken his professional conduct to the point where he lost the title.

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[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

…being subject to a code of ethics or having to be more responsible and thoughtful in how one expresses oneself in public forums is part of the package one accepts in exchange for the privilege and benefits that come with being a licensed professional”.

Indeed. If Mr Peterson wants to present as a practitioner of a regulated profession, they have to follow the rules. They are not owed a right to practice, they are given a privilege to practice.

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