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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Enabling genocide is bad. Calling enabling, genocide, is also bad. Be better.

The situation in Palestine has been fucked for decades. It's great to see people finally starting to care. But it's also extremely on brand to see people letting perfect be the enemy of the best we have. In an effort to get the worst possible elected. If you spent half this amount of time railing against the actual fascist people might accidentally think you were American or Genuine. Be better.

[+] PlasticLove@lemmy.today -6 points 4 months ago

America (and Biden) are entirely culpable for the genocide in Palestine.

They knew (we all did) what Israel was doing and would do with the arms, money, and protection provided to them.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I agree. You aren't rebutting anything I said.

Israel has needed a reckoning since basically day one. America has danced around the fact and played defensive older brother for three quarters of a century. All for a "foothold" in the region.

And as a long term senator, vice president, and president. Biden is more culpable than many in Congress. But it still is a Congress problem. The executive branch oversees diplomacy, defense, and execution of law under federal authority. Congress writes the laws, approves aid, and cuts the check. Biden can speed it up, and slow it down. He's done both and is crucified regularly from both ends for doing so. All in an effort I'd call overly diplomatic and undeserved on netanyahu's part.

I got no problem with people expressing disappointment and worse with Biden. I'm not a Democrat. I have no love of the party. I'm not a liberal either. I'm too fringy for most progressives. Fuck the Democrats. But I know, for a fact. January 20th 2025 there's still gonna be a Republican or a Democrat in the whitehouse. And god help us if its a Republican. And by us I mean the world not just Americans. Because things WILL be worse.

I'm all for primarying every single Democrat in upcoming midterm elections etc with Pro Palestinian candidates for the next 20 years. But if we could stop being useful tools for actual fascists. Practicing self harm. Long enough to not hand the actual fascists control of another branch of government. That'd be great. K' thanks bye

[-] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Genuine question. I completely agree that Biden is not doing nearly enough. I agree he sucks.

But if we don't vote for biden, trump will win. And if Trump wins, we are completely fucked and he will not only 100% help israel wipe gaza off the map, probably help russia take over ukraine, very possibly deepen the war between europe and russia and he will end democracy in america.

Our trans and other LGBT comrades will be even more oppressed if not outright imprisoned. People of color will face way more harassement and protection against racism, sexism etc in the workplace will be wiped.

The climate will be even more fucked than it already is and set our efforts back several decades.

There will be so much violence and pain. And it is not a hole we can likely climb out of for a very very long time.

When we vote for biden. We are not voting FOR biden. It is a vote against trump and to buy us more time to fight back.

So while i understand hating biden for everything has done and is doing. But we HAVE to keep trump out of the white house.

So my question is, do you not see how important that is?

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you hit snooze on your alarm when you're 2 hours late is your problem solved?

Biden is already more right wing than 2016 Trump. Deferring the problem to 2028 does nothing to solve it.

Israel is already wiping Palestine off the map. They're annexing the entire West Bank right now.

When we vote for biden. We are not voting FOR biden. It is a vote against trump and to buy us more time to fight back.

We heard this in 2020. Nobody is going to fix anything in the meantime as was promised in 2020. It's only going to get worse. A Biden 2024 victory just means going back to sleep and ignore all issues until 2028 when the problem is even worse.

If Biden wants to win he can compromise with the left to win votes. He can compromise before the election instead of after it. If Biden doesn't t want to do that he clearly doesn't believe Trump is as much of a danger as you do.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

But actually what's your other choice?

[-] Ibaudia@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Being genocidal and a fascist tend to be nested topics but are not necessarily related. You can be one without the other lol.

[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 4 months ago

And Biden supporters wonder why he has a 34% approval rating...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Because Trump's propaganda machine works, and y'all would rather have a fast and complete genocide than a slow one that might possibly be stopped?

[-] Delusional@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah so you don't like genocide and believe Biden supports it? Okay whatever.

You must also know that trump supports it. And not only in Palestine but he also wants Russia to take over Ukraine which also seems to be a little genocidal and also completely wrong.

So what's better, 1 genocide or 2?

Not to mention the millions that will die when project 2025 begins. If you think Biden is bad, trump is a million times worse.

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No Genocide is my requirement for non Fascists.

Biden propaganda doesn't change my mind. Biden doesn't even have a chance anymore. No reason to keep advocating for Genocide.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

No Genocide is my requirement for non Fascists.

Still voting for Jill Stein and Ukrainian genocide?

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is a difference between a war and a Genocide. Russia wants to annex Ukraine. Not murder everyone to replace it with its own population.

Not sure how not contributing to a war makes one responsible for it.

But hey libs love throwing meat into the meat grinder let's offer up some more Ukrainians before admitting that at some point a truce will need to be reached.

Remind me again about how well Biden stalled Ukrainian weapons at the start of the war and doesn't allow them to bomb oil refineries to make sure they won't win.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There is a difference between a war and a Genocide. Russia wants to annex Ukraine. Not murder everyone to replace it with its own population.

lmao, hilarious that you engage in the same kind of genocide denial that Israeli simps do. Almost like the only difference between you and them is what side you're on. But tell me more about how massacring civilians, kidnapping children, and deporting populations DEFINITELY isn't genocide. That's definitely not a fascist thing to defend.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

The Russian goal does not appear to be to wipe out the population of Ukraine but conquer their land. Or would you disagree with that?

And more importantly why doesn't Biden allow Ukraine to strike the Russian oil refineries and gas tanks?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Russian goal does not appear to be to wipe out the population of Ukraine but conquer their land.

Ah, is that why there are mass deportations, kidnapping of children, and massacres of civilians in the already-occupied parts of Ukraine. They're trying to conquer the bits they already occupy. How wholesome! It's insane what distances you'll go to defend genocide.

And more importantly

"More importantly than whether or not there's a genocide going on"

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I see you don't have a comeback to how to actually help Ukraine so all you can do is deflect. Something about intent being important for the word Genocide right? I heard that was very important until israeli ministers started screaming they want to Genocide Palestinians from the rooftops

Did you know about the 2022 ceasefire proposal they made Zelensky reject because they were going to "support him to win the war"?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I see you don’t have a comeback to how to actually help Ukraine so all you can do is deflect.

"Deflection is when you stay on topic, and the more you stay on topic, the more deflection it is"

But tell me more about how assisting Ukrainian genocide will help Ukraine.

Something about intent being important for the word Genocide right?

Oh, so they were just accidentally kidnapping Ukrainian children, murdering Ukrainian civilians, deporting Ukrainians, and moving in Russian colonists. My bad.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

You believe semantics is more important than people dying. I see.

My primary concern about Gaza is not the word Genocide but stopping it. I don't care much Biden and the Genocrats don't want to admit it is happening.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

My primary concern about Gaza is not the word Genocide but stopping it.

Ah, but your primary concern about Ukraine is that it's not a genocide and you want it to continue under indefinite Russian occupation. Cool cool cool. Definitely not a fascist position to take.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

If you can't defend your own position and have to resort to strawmen we're done here. Libs projecting their Genocide politician on others is hilarious.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

If you can’t defend your own position

My position was, if you will remember, that you voting for Ukrainian genocide was some real evil shit. That you tried unsuccessfully to turn the conversation somewhere else is your failing, not mine. :)

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