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Conservatives joke that progressives just blow with the wind from one controversy to the next. But I can't help but notice the anti-Biden "left" shifted hard from Genocide Joe to Bad debate Performance without skipping a beat or looking back.

Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago

russian troll farms be out here like

“no we’re innocent socialists!” “democrats aren’t progressive enough and therefore must be defeated” “you can’t accuse me of parroting russian disinformation talking points just because I’m using the same words and arguments”

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

Accelerationism is a position that is literally only possible to hold from a position of privilege.

I'm sure crashing through the decline into fascism looks like a great idea when you know you're high enough on the kill list to avoid the actual consequences of fascism happening.

The white left never saw us as allies, only as fodder.

[-] pantyhosewimp@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 4 months ago

I’m not sure of the term for this, but I’ll call it “billionaire blindness”. Not blindness to billionaires but a blindness that affects billionaires. And it works like this: because they overestimate their own abilities – their ego cannot handle the large part that luck played in their success – they correspondingly underestimate the abilities of their lackeys.

In this particular context, they vastly underestimate their political pawns. They fail to realize that once Trump and Taylor-Green and cohorts gain dictatorial powers, then those former lackeys will become the masters. To quote Jello Biafra, “In the real fourth reich you’ll be the first to go.” I don’t know what we’ll call it tho. “Night of Long Knives” is too poetic.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Night of the faces getting eaten

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

“The white left” … (?)

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago

White self proclaimed socialists and leftists who will theory their way all around why it's everyone else's job to praxis in even the bare minimum ways, and who see queer folks and PoC effectively as pawns to throw into the meat grinder of fascism until it eventually chews its teeth out.

See also, when the french communists outed immigrant resistance leaders to the retreating Nazis to take all the credit with the dead unable to correct the record for themselves.

[-] Mobilityfuture@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I understand your definition and can relate to this being a (privileged) element of left discourse. That being said I question if your attribution of this definition to a broader category of your own making… “the white left” is helpful to anyone. If you feel it is keep throwing it around I guess

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[-] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Progressives" with enough privilege that they think that if it comes down to it, they can always bend the knee to avoid the wall.

These people tend to be rabidly accelerationist, cause it's not their lives and livelihoods on the line.

This line of thinking allows you to be an ideological purist and denounce any incrementalism or harm reduction as antithetical to the cause, stirring up infighting.

It also happens to be an excellent strategy outlined in the CIA's saboteur handbook. (Literally, Google it, download the PDF from CIA.gov)

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[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Accelerationism is a position that is literally only possible to hold from a position of privilege.

And boy do they get butthurt when you tell them that they're privileged.

I got one person really indignant with me when I called them privileged because they were pushing accelerationist bullshit about Palestinians being genocides because they didn't have to deal with the results of their rhetoric.

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[-] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.

It’s pretty easy to prove that many of them don’t.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I think it's funny that people think you can just change nominees at this point and still have a chance at winning the contest.

[-] jwiggler@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Would you mind elaborating on this? Polls don't favor Biden right now and obviously his debate performance was really REALLY bad. I mean, if he's the nominee, you gotta vote for him, but I'm curious why you think it's so crazy that a person would feel like another Democratic nominee has a better shot. Especially considering how dissatisfied almost everyone in the country is regarding the two choices we have before us, and how often the explanation of that dissatisfaction ends up being because of age.

I think it's a pretty reasonable take to want someone other than Biden to run, considering those things I mentioned. Even if you personally think another candidate besides Biden kills the chances of us beating Trump, why do you think it's so absurd of a position to want someone to take Bidens place?

It seems right now your position, that Biden is the only chance we have against Trump, is the one that is kinda illogical, but I'm curious what your take on that is because there's a chance I'm not accounting for something big, like the logistics of getting a replacement candidate in there and publicized.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I consider anyone pushing anyone over Biden as part of the Trump campaign. This is a two party system. Creating indecisiveness like this is a very viable and practical subversion tactic and with Trump's Kremlin backers as the Russian candidate as Putin's puppet, anyone that fails to recognise this ploy is being foolish and falling for their nonsense. The Platonic sophism tactic is hard for the simple minded to see through. Unplug from the news cycle and think for yourself outside of the sophist spin doctor nonsense. Ask your own questions and seek out those answers without distraction and exercise skepticism about all sources. If your general media leads your thoughts, you have no real thoughts of your own.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A list crypto-Trumpists:

  • The New York Times: "If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. To make a call for a new Democratic nominee this late in a campaign is a decision not taken lightly, but it reflects the scale and seriousness of Mr. Trump’s challenge to the values and institutions of this country and the inadequacy of Mr. Biden to confront him."
  • David Remnick of The New Yorker: "For him to remain the Democratic candidate, the central actor in that referendum, would be an act not only of self-delusion but of national endangerment. It is entirely possible that the debate will not much change the polls; it is entirely possible that Biden could have a much stronger debate in September; it is not impossible to imagine that Trump will find a way to lose. But, at this point, should Biden engage the country in that level of jeopardy? To step aside and unleash the admittedly complicated process of locating and nominating a more robust and promising ticket seems the more rational course and would be an act of patriotism. To refuse to do so, to go on contending that his good days are more plentiful than the bad, to ignore the inevitability of time and aging, doesn’t merely risk his legacy—it risks the election and, most important, puts in peril the very issues and principles that Biden has framed as central to his Presidency and essential to the future."
  • The Economist: "There are a lot of arguments for resisting such a drastic step, but the main one is that the election is barely four months away. That may be enough time for Mr Biden to recover in the polls. But with the Democratic convention in August, it would be too brief for the party to find another candidate who could campaign and win. Replacing him could divide Democrats at a time when they need to stay united. Those assertions may have been convincing once. Not any more."
  • Chicago Tribune
  • The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

You're underplaying the severity of his failure. All of these publications understand what you're saying. Every single one of them know that creating uncertainty now is risky, but in their calculations, it's worth it. I, ultimately, think they are wrong, but calling them part of the Trump campaign just has to be something only someone trying to win internet points would say.

I'll end by quoting ~~Steve Bannon~~ Pod Save America co-host Jon Favreau, "Anyone who says this is easy or that we shouldn't have this debate is not being honest."

[-] stonerboner@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 4 months ago

100% on point. The pivot from “Genocide Joe” to “Anyone/Anything Else Now That Names Are Already On Ballots” is very telling. Also on this list are all the “leftists” pointing fingers at other “leftists” instead of the fascists and centrists.

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[-] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

If Trump wins then all these "Genocide Joe" people are going to learn the real meaning of that term, that's for sure.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 months ago

Are you suggesting that half a million people being intentionally starved somehow doesn’t constitute a genocide?

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[-] rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Now, remember kids: if an unpopular Democratic presidential candidate doesn't win an election, who do we blame? That's right: literally everyone to the left of us. That's how you make progress in a country, after all: Demonizing the left in the same way conservatives do. And why do we do that? That's right, it's because we're secretly conservative, too. We just tolerate gay people more, but don't want actual social or economic progress. Repeat after me: "unfavorable political outcomes are everyone else's fault but mine!"

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I'm convinced they're just astroturfers. One of the many voter suppression tactics of the right.

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