Good. Cleaning fees and booking fees are clearly being abused to game listings to show low prices that instantly double or even triple when you go to check out.

Frankly Airbnb is already pretty scammy.

I have maybe used it 3 times in the last decade. Run into scams at least once where a rental in Denver/Aurora claimed there was AC and the compressor had been removed. But they still had the air handler and thermostats in and turned on. They also put brand new tower fans in each room because it was hot in the house (~87F or 30C) in the sleeping area. Then when we tried to contact them they were suddenly unavailable. So we just left and filed a complaint auth Airbnb which turned into a giant finger pointing session where the owner claimed we cursed them out etc. tried to get the negative review removed with similar tactics too.

Took a lot of effort to recoup the money.

The second rental (well third in the timeline, but second scam) the renter tried to claim we left the place a mess to try and keep the deposit on top of a cleaning fee. Despite they had instructions to do everything from dishes to washing the sheets, not disclosed when we arrived, which we did. But somehow still wanted to hold a 600 dollar cleaning deposit.

Idk what Airbnb does. I will never use them again. Just a total waste of time.

"Hey, what if we did Uber but for Hotels, except that we make it so its as expensive as a hotel and impose lots of ridiculous rules and expectations of our guests?"

I don't even look at AB&B anymore when I travel. It used to be a bargain, but between ruining local real estate markets and the general asshattery of most AB&B owners, I'll just stick with hotels.

I travel a lot and used airbnb for a year or so during their heyday, I greatly preferred them to hotels. I would never go back to them now though. Ever since they started going crazy with the fees and chores, I prefer hotels where you know what you're getting.

I travel for work. Just stay at a Hampton Inn. Always coffee, breakfast, clean. Not to mention its usually close to whatever you want to go to. The garden Inn is good also, as well as holiday express. I don't like double tree, even though they give you cookies.

Also Hamptons have a shuttle to theme parks in Orlando. Its really easy to wake up and eat breakfast then get driven to the park. Done need to worry about parking, where to get breakfast or how to get back.

It seems I went on a little rant. Oh well.

Why would you want NOT to see the total price anyway? That is so shady...

Nothing can fix Airbnb. It used to be a cheap alternative to hotels but now they are around the same price range (especially with the cleaning fees). If you are going to stay a couple of days then Airbnb starts to make sense but for short stays it's just pointless. The biggest difference (and the reason why I stopped using Airbnb altogether) is that if you stay at a hotel or even a motel, you are treated like a guest a customer. But Airbnb hosts treat you like they are doing you a favor by letting you stay there even though you're paying for the place. They make up 20 chores like you have to put the towels in the washer, you have to put the dishes in the dishwasher. Then what was the whole point of the cleaning fee. Just stay at a hotel.

I’m glad they’re doing this! I hate finding AirBnbs for less than hotel rooms only to discover the $200 in hidden fees bumping them above the hotel’s cost. I wanna see the all in, taxes and fees included, always.

I’ve been using airbnb for month-long rentals across Europe and I still haven’t found a good alternative.

There are no hotels that offer even remotely similar apartment size/price ratios. And I prefer apartments specifically, living in a hotel for a long time is just weird. All my airbnb hosts for the last two years have also been great. Btw, all were actual apartment owners, so none of that corporate crap. Many were helpful showing interesting places or best restaurants/shops around the neighbourhood.

On the other hand, local rental services and websites either have listings that start at 3+ months, or are completely unreliable, either taking weeks to reply or changing their mind on price or availability a few days before the arrival date.

And airbnb in Europe had that checkbox to display the final price since forever, so you’re not getting unknowingly ripped off anyway.

Is there something usable besides airbnb for 1–1.5 month long rentals across EU? At this point I’m not sure if it’s even a good idea to look for one.

This is partly because they have to do this by law in Australia, so you can go to the Airbnb.au site and use it to book rooms today with these settings.

They are just making the "hack" official to try to end run more laws compelling them to do so.

Why is it an “option” to show the full price? So like assholedesign stuff to me.

goes to see if c/assholedesign exists…

And why not include taxes? It's not like you're not going to be on the hook for them.

I've been looking for a place for the past couple weeks, doesn't it already do this? It does in the UK at least. The price you see is the total price.