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If you're going to do the thing with replacing Biden as the candidate, you couldn't get better than AOC, who will be 35 before November.
I personally think replacing Biden this late is a bad move even though I already think Biden sucks. But I grit my teeth and voted for the fucker just like I did with Clinton, because the alternative is literally insanity and fascism. I just don't realsitically seeing the party coalesce around anyone new at the last minute. Organizing Democrats is like herding cats, being a big tent party sucks noodles.
Just keep repeating, Biden may not be the best, but his administration has been fantastic!
In comparison to the other party... Not just Biden you are voting for the administration. Supreme court justices Which affect everyday life!
Exactly this. So the party doesn't do what I would personally prefer. I still prefer whatever the fuck they're doing over outright fascism.
He knows how to delegate to people who are smarter than him. He also knows the importance of 'tone at the top' in getting the best out of his team. This is what makes him the better candidate.
I'd say it's been good, not great.
This is when “meets expectations” looks great after so much bad behavior. It’s ok to appreciate something good.
Especially when it's dramatically better than the alternative.
Biden exceeded my expectations. My expectations were low, but he did exceed them.
Good domestic policy. Bad foreign policy. Or have we all collectively forgot about the wars?
Edit: You all were very loudly criticizing Biden on Israel a few weeks ago, but fine, I guess Lemmy has moved on.
The wars that he didn't start? The wars that the aggressors are ignoring what Biden demands?
The ones where Trump is buddy-buddy with those ordering war crimes?
Those wars?
Israel in particular, yes. Before the debate everyone was criticizing Biden for continuing to financially support a genocide.
But I guess nobody cares about Palestine now.
Bidens state department has been horrific, as well as his defense department.
"this late"
Meanwhile, other countries' entire election season is like two months long total.
Shhh, don't mention other countries. Nothing to see here, just keep listening to the establishment democrats telling us anything other than Biden is impossible. And then four years from now the fight for democracy will continue.
I've seen this criticism of replacing Biden often recently "it's too late! We won't have time!"
Putting aside for the moment that it isn't late at all and complaints that it is feel like talking points, Biden IS old. The stats on someone his age dying that year are extremely high. There is a good chance he dies before the election.
If there isn't a plan to deal with that fairly likely possibility, then there isn't a plan to win.
Anyone in a position of power in the DNC making this claim is them confessing their own incompetence.
Hey man I've been dealing with the shitty outcomes of the politicians who lead this party being unwilling to listen to the public until well after the public has been proven right for my entire adult life.
I said Biden was too old in 2020. He's even too older now. The party didn't give a fuck and has spent their time hiding it and fucking us out of having primaries.
Who do you think will choose the new candidate? The same super delegates who gave us Hillary Clinton? It won't be a people's vote at the convention, it will be delegates, many of which are party apparatchiks.
Do you think the people who hid Biden's issues this late in the game will suddenly make a good choice? I don't. The party fucked us into this position and I do not think they are capable of unfucking us, sorry. Biden is who we have, alive or dead.
"Party is bad. Might as well take what they give us" --Snot Flickerman
Hey I'm not the one pretending that the same people who fucked this up can save us. That's you. I'm just accepting where we're at.
You gotta be naive if you think the party is going to hand the reigns to the people now after *checks notes... about thirty years of this shit.
But sure, have the party replace Biden with another fucking loser just like him, we'll see how that goes.
If they do replace him, it will just be with Kamala. The only thing up in the air would be who to appoint as her running mate.
IMO they should just do it ASAP. I honestly think Kamala would attract way more voters than Biden. She certainly has her issues but no worse than Biden's and she's way better on optics.
I fangirl for AOC but she ain't ready. Give her 4 more years at least.
She's more ready than Trump is who was already "president."
That said, I would rather her be in Congress longer because she can be a voice longer. After 8 years of being president if elected, she wouldn't then want to become a senator or whatever. That would pretty much be it for her in politics outside of ex-president things... and she'd only be 43.
I'm also sure Kamala would be pissed if AOC were to get the nom instead of her. Not that that matters.
everyone knows most voters only check on the candidates once every 7 months
Guess we'll have to wait and see. If Biden stays in and young people don't show up to vote, everyone will blame voters and not the DNC; even though the entire argument for Biden is his supposed electability.
We're in such dangerous waters right now that we might as well throw caution to the wind and try to get a woman elected POTUS. At least that would energize the base.
Wow, that is exactly the opposite expectation and take from me. If young people don’t show up to vote, I expect they’ll blame the DNC instead of themselves, even though the purpose of voting is getting the best outcome for your future and not about liking people or being sold on a brand.