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so disgusted reading this story today. this man got a fully suspended sentence for pleading guilty (when he initially lied to the cops and said she attacked him, and only admitted it when CCTV footage was produced), and because the judge wants to save his precious army career while the victim has lost her job due to her injuries. he also bragged about beating her on snapchat and the reason he did it is because she asked him to stop calling people slurs. i hate it here

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[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

I'm not a prison abolitionist shrug-outta-hecks

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

  • not interested in a struggle session about this lol. this guy deserves to be beaten to death, that's not mutually exclusive with fixing systemic problems don't be a dumb dumb
[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

Mob justice isn't a good idea, either. The Cultural Revolution is widely regarded as a bad time.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

Yeah the more successful communist revolutions generally at least tried to put people on public trial, even if it was just for show I say it's a good thing. Lenin was actually angry that the Romanov's died the way they did. Vigilantism isn't a good thing.

[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

The solution to [punishment] being full of corruption and targeting the wrong people is totally [more severe punishment] without fixing the other measures!

[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

go off wilfully misinterpreting my meme post in an overly serious yet annoyingly snarky way lol I don't want a struggle session so consider this my disengage

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[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

How would they get in trouble

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Killing in retribution for punching is obviously disproportionate. Should we execute Kyle Hayes too?

Prisons are a colonial introduction, as is capital punishment.

[-] Sophie@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Hear me out, gulags?

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Nobody is really. I always thought it was a stupid talking point.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

It's a decently prominent line of leftist thinking, going at least back to Angela Davis. I agree it's a bad talking point, though. Virtually no one means abolition abolition, so any conversation on the topic immediately gets sidetracked with a semantic debate. It's also silly to re-define what abolition means then use it as a slogan, especially when there's a closely related conversation about how we didn't actually abolish slavery due to the 13th amendment carve-out for prisoners.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Honestly even under FALGSC we'd need to do something with the occasional person who loses it a throws their ex out an airlock or whatever. I mean unless we develop actual brainwashing technology, but that comes with it's own gross moral implications.

Also, assuming us commies ever actually take over the U$A, wtf are we going to do with the massive chunk of the population who are totally brain-rotted CHUDs? Renaming prisons "gulags" doesn't really change the fact you're detaining a person in a location for engaging in anti-social behavior. The war on drugs has been an unmitigated failure and I believe we should be treating the real root cause of the issue with crime, poverty. I'm also all for trying to make prisons as humane as possible. But you do actually need to do something about violent criminals.

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

If you consider like Crime and Punishment and stuff, isn't prison abolition, while not achievable just like immediately under capitalism, a really important goal for a communist society to work towards?

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

As a long term goal, I think yeah we should seek to use prisons a little as possible and what prisons we have should be humane as possible. I don't think even under an ideal society we're ever gonna get to zero, there's always going to be people who engage in violent anti-social activity.

But that is really, really long term. In the actual short term, if there was actually a communist take over, we'd probably have to be detaining a lot of people, both fascists and organized crime elements since they're often a tool of counter revolutionaries. You can say prison abolition is your long term goal but you're gonna confuse most people when you say that but then also call for gulaging most MAGA Chuds.

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

Those chuds want prisons to stay around longer, ez paradox of tolerance dub

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Chuds: "We need to imprison people who are having a negative effect on society!"

Communists: "Okay" gulags Chuds

Chuds: "No not like that!"

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

simply imprison people until we don't need prisons anymore

but unironically

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 5 points 4 months ago

I mean there is sort of an ironic truth to this

Really the best way to reduce crime and therefore for the need for police and prisons is to create a more equitable, prosperous, stable society. Doing that is a long ass process though and there's a bunch of people out there who have an incentive to disrupt or undo it. So, you have to stop them, which usually means imprisoning them.

[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

I mean, the story illustrates why prison is a bad idea: the judge couldn't serve justice because it would have meant creating bad consequences.

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