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None of these people post with any nuance. It’s all to cripple Biden any way they can. What is their end goal? I’m not happy with everything he does, but we have no other viable option in this election. Everything Biden does bad, Trump will do worse. Biden at least bends to pressure from the left.
My pov is that the threat that is Trump is very convenient to the right wing Democrats like Bidden.
The Democrats aren’t Nazis, they just don’t mind them all that much.
That doesn’t mean “there the same” and that people shouldn’t vote D. They absolutely should because the world may never recover from a second Trump win.
But once the election is over and Trump is hopefully in the past, the establishment should be roasted, “not an actual fascist” is a sickly low standard for an office that rules one of the most powerful nations. The people deserve better and the establishment needs to get the message that we demand better.
Why would they so that though? Every election from now on if going to be this dangerous.
Seems like they have us over a barrel, no?
What is their end goal? We would need to ask their boss, but I don't speak Russian so...
All people are doing is pointing out shitty things that Biden does. Perhaps he should stop doing those? I don't know, it just sounds incredibly authoritarian. The way a lot of these neoliberals like yourself are acting like criticism is not allowed.
It's building up a massive amount of spite to moderates from progressives
Edit : Downvote all you want, but all it's doing is building up spite and not just me, but basically every other progressive. And then you completely don't understand why you all are unpopular. Good luck winning the next election. Neoliberals well and truly suck.
Pro tip, stop alienating your electorate. No wonder you guys like Biden so much. Birds of a feather. The party has gone absolutely mad and Its going to bite us all in the ass come election day. None of you are treating this election seriously enough as much as you seem hell bent on turning off progressives.
Funny. Every progressive I know is hell-bent on a Biden victory because, even though we're all well to the left of the left-wing of the Democratic Party, much less some centrist like Biden, we aren't ghouls who desire our fellow Americans to suffer under a fascist regime, especially not out of 'spite' over being downvoted on an internet forum.
I always thought my experience with other progressives was the norm, but maybe there's some evidence you've got that suggests otherwise.
That's because your friends aren't Russian agents
Yes, that is the position of the American moderate. Clearly, the American moderate is upset at stricter immigration policy.
Have you talked to an American moderate in your life?
The reason the right keeps kicking the left’s ass is because they band together for their end goal instead of picking each other apart in an election year. I’ve been leftist my whole life, I’m no neo-liberal as you state just for seeing the truth of this election. What is your solution? Is pissing on Biden every chance going to do anything to fix these policies? If we get Trump, do you see immigration getting better? Biden is getting pummeled in the polls for his perceived weakness on the border. He lightened the rules after he won last time and Republicans have been crucifying him on border security since and it’s getting traction in polls. Sometimes in a democracy, you have to make some concessions to keep the power to make change in your hands. How far has the strategy of purism gotten the left? This country has swung so much further right due to leftist infighting losing us elections. Now we have a right wing candidate with a plan to straight up end democracy, but still we are calling each other “not leftist enough” instead of focusing on the real enemies of progressivism.
We arent going to go left by engaing in right wing immigration tactics.
The solution is for Biden to stop putting his foot in his mouth at this critical moment. THAT is what I find so offensive about this whole ordeal.
Its like you all have given up on that possibility, which makes defnsing him offensive.
You know he sucks, but we just have to deal with it?
Why pretend to be a progressive?
Hilariously this reminds me of all the "RINO" talk for anyone not fellating Trump.
Any other choice ways of saying bOtH sIdEs?
Saying both sides are the same or equally dangerous is absolutely counterproductive, I don't do it. Pointing out that both sides can fall victim to the same kind of tribalism and that someone is using almost the exact same reasoning as a conservative to dismiss valid concerns from their own party is not "both sides bad".
Do think there are any similarities between both sides, or are they different in every way that you can see?
They are similar in that they both receive money from corporations, and they both are resistant to change. Notice how I mentioned specifics, instead of trying to demoralize people so they don't vote by spouting vague bullshit about how they are "the same".
This is exactly what im talking about.