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[-] JonEFive@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

Well yeah, but that's a pretty broad spectrum. Giving up by not participating at all is a higher degree of apathy than "giving up" by realistically evaluating your situation and recognizing that participating in a deeply flawed system will still have a chance of moving the needle in the direction you want it to go, or at least stopping it from moving the other direction.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

Right, so I wouldn't equivocate students protesting staunch support for a genocide as 'giving up'. These are specifically people trying to move the needle of a deeply flawed system.

To quote old song, they're 'young people speaking their minds getting so much resistance from behind.'

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

by realistically evaluating your situation

Your only acceptable measure of that is if I vote for Biden which makes me unable to realistically evaluate my situation by definition. There's no point in making this argument. We aren't going to see things the same way. One of us has to compromise. If you can't see it's moderates and liberals turn to make some serious and material compromises leftwards then you never will.

[-] JonEFive@midwest.social 1 points 5 months ago

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. The situation is that you will realistically have two choices for president. Voting for anything other than one of those two choices is effectively pointless as it will have no impact on the outcome except to withhold a vote from one of the two candidates that are going to win.

Anything else that you choose is symbolic at best but effectively meaningless.

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