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[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 114 points 6 months ago

Unpopular opinion: if you require disenfranchised voters to stave off a fascist dictatorship then you're already a failed state and are only kicking the can down the road.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 36 points 6 months ago

There are probably a lot of people you love who require healthcare who are depending on that can being kicked further down the road until you have an alternative.

I personally think we can support Palestine without throwing our trans and gay populations, our immigrants, and our leftists to the wolves.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's the thing. We aren't getting an alternative. We're getting fascism. Whether we slowly slide into it with the Democrats or speed run it with the Republicans we will have to deal with the issue.

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[-] kinther@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

You're not wrong. I guess the question is now whether you're ok with the consequences of not kicking it?

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[-] jeffw@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago

Here’s a take… it would be infinitely worse under the GOP. At least Biden and Blinken have attempted to cool tensions and persuade Bibi to stop. They have, at a minimum, delayed some violence.

[-] onkyo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 months ago

The argument isn't "don't vote for biden" it's "stop deflecting the harm your candidate is actively doing by pointing at someone else". Why is that so hard to understand? The fact the democrats want to die on the hill of commiting genocide and squashing student protests against it is their own fault, no one elses.

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[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago

Biden, his administration, and the bulk of the Democratic Party deserve every bit of blowback that they are going to get from their racist, bloodthirsty, gaslighting-filled stance on Gaza. The immorality of it all is bad enough, but it’s also just politically stupid given how so much of the electorate feels. I am painfully aware of the existential threat to democracy that this election poses. For Democrats to gamble US democracy itself on their desire to fuel a genocide is unforgivable. If this godforsaken country actually elects trump, it will be entirely the result of Joe Biden and the sclerotic Democratic Party leadership. We deserve much better.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 41 points 6 months ago

“If I’m talking about electric vehicles and climate change, and then (a student) asks me, ‘What about all the emissions caused by the bombing of Gaza?’ I’m like, well, you know, can’t help you there,”

Maybe you need a better answer than that?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The emissions that would continue or escalate with Trump in office? He’s worse for everyone except rich white industrialists.

Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations in one term, undoing over a decade’s worth of progress.

Biden just reenacted gender discrimination law that Obama created and Trump subsequently repealed.

SCOTUS repealed Affirmative Action, overturned Roe vs. Wade, and left protest law up to the states due to the heavily conservative appointments made by Trump.

Trump’s tax cuts expired for the low and middle classes in 2022, but the larger tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations continue through 2024. Biden’s tax proposal begins in 2025, with cuts for the low and middle class, and heavily increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations.

Russia will succeed in their invasion of Ukraine if the US fails to provide support, which is Trump’s position.

Trump also said the Israel’s biggest problem is recording their atrocities, and they should just finish what they started in Gaza.

I could go all day, but you get the point. Abstain or vote third-party if you’re looking to invite this back into the White House.

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[-] jet@hackertalks.com 25 points 6 months ago

How do you sell a genocide supporter to people who want to stop the genocide? Why not give them an option to not support the genocide?

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago

Some people seem way too okay with there being two bad choices for president.

Others seem way too resistent to any attempt to make one of those choices not bad.

[-] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 6 months ago

There's a difference between being okay with something and begrudgingly working with circumstances while simultaneously criticizing people who give up because things aren't perfect.

I'm not okay with Biden being the best candidate, but that doesn't make abstention a viable voting strategy.

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[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 months ago

The phrase "there are 3 bad choices for president" is true, but is so hilariously reductionist. I'm not saying you, in particular, are evaluating it through this lense, just that there is a difference between the "bad" here, and it's really, really obvious.

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Jesus fuck I thought I was cynical but this take by CNN is like, weaponized cynicism.

[-] gitgud@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

Young Democrats face Gaza blowback as they try to mobilize students for Biden

Perhaps instead of trying to mobilize students to support an active genocider, they can go fuck themselves instead?

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