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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 155 points 6 months ago

I fucking hate, and from the bottom of my heart, how Biden is funding the genocide in Palestine, but I'm still going to vote for him this time, because we just can't have a person like Trump in the white house, period. I still can't figure out how he got in the first time. I'd never let my 10 year old lead a country, yet we let Trump do it for four fucking years. I, too, am sick of this "the lesser of two evils" bullshit, but this time I'm giving it a pass because of Trump. We already have a crumbling country and can't afford another four years of this dude.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

He has all but said he would cut Israel loose to do whatever they needed to finish the job.

The use of Israeli aggression is not a point of comparison when viewing the differences between trump and Biden.

Edit: and I apologize for the late edit - FWIW Biden has become critical of Israeli actions and offered some aid to Palestinians (Yeah, I absolutely agree it isn’t enough) while trump would prefer to wash his hands of the whole Palestine thing. That is a notable difference.

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

No one denies that trump will fund it. That's not the point, but I get what you mean.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

It isn’t the potential for denial that initiated my reply, it’s the fact that people declare US support of Israel is a strike against Biden when comparing Biden to trump as a reason to consider not voting for Biden. This is a false comparison and it is the point I am making.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

I've argued with multiple people on here who said Trump would be better for Palestinians than Biden is.

[-] penquin@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago

Lmfao. Nah, that's too much credit. Way too much.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

No one denies that trump will fund it

And? The problem is that these people won't really address the fact that Trump would be worse than Biden

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago

I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

And hence why I won't vote for Trump either. It's not that hard to understand.

[-] xhieron@lemmy.world 61 points 6 months ago

I think Joe Biden is maybe the best president of my lifetime, and I'm going to vote for him with my head held high even though I live in a red state where it doesn't matter at all. I wish things were simpler in the Levant, but I appreciate that Joe Biden is between a rock and a hard place with Israel. It's not like he can just take Bibi out. He's not Boeing. That said, even if I laid the entire genocide at Biden's feet (which, while he's not blameless, is absolutely not appropriate), he would still be head and shoulders an improvement over Donald Trump.

For that matter, I'd absolutely let my 12 year old run this country before I'd let Trump have a second term. My kid is brilliant, and more importantly, unlike Trump he listens to advice, can take no for an answer, and gives a shit about having a functional democracy four years from now.

A second Trump term is an existential threat to the nation. Hold your nose, hold your neighbor's nose if you have to, but every able-bodied patriot owes it to their descendants and their patriotic ancestors to prevent a second Trump term.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Biden went around congress to ship weapons to Israel. Painting him as helpless here is pure misinformation.

[-] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

It's not like he can just take Bibi out. He's not Boeing.

Well, he is the President of the United States. We may have to pretend Bibi is a socialist though.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

Put a Columbia University T-shirt on him!

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Old america vs Israeli desert trooper guy? That's going to be an interesting one

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Your ten-year-old is more mature than Trump.

Not a joke.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 5 points 6 months ago

Ten year old?! Thats a high bar for most republicans these days. They want knee jerk and whining. Thats something most 10 year olds are already figuring out doesnt get them what they want.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

That's basically my point. That, and how Trump brags that he hasn't matured past the age of six.

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Knowing my son? He absolutely is way more mature than Trump.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 8 points 6 months ago

I’m 100% sure trump would have taken charge over there because it was taking too long.

Genocide? Hold my beer.

[-] Nom@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I still can’t figure out how he got in the first time.

Electoral College, should not exist.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago

Certain important people need to keep selling spyware, drugs, guns and war to keep themselves and their associates employed. As for whether the funds or the actual work (conflict) available is sustainable is for everyone including the accountants to consider.

The other problem is that war doesn't really die, we just displace where we choose to fight, and how, if we imagine physical and cyber world peace for a moment, for the USA or China to reduce its military capacity by one third, or one tenth, we would see absolute chaos, thousands unemployed, the losses in maintenance and equipment, military supplies, medical, etc, nobody would win.

Any complex society where financial and other systems operate needs a minimum degree of social enforcement to maintain. Whether that can change like a function or is something that depends on a country's GDP is another issue.

Just consider that humanity would either need lots of free time, energy and money or it would literally need to feel incredibly threatened by something on earth, which we all could not fight to control in order to actually fund going to space or even the moon, and I doubt a triple whammy of pandemic, food shortage or severe draught and floods could do it, it happened in the Bible and people literally just found more dumb reasons to do more dumb things, and no lowering mens testosterone or telling guys to shave more often wouldn't do shit either. If people don't find reasons to explore or learn, they find reasons to fight/play fight, it's pretty normal, and if anyone remembers their childhood, usually it's pretty much the same across generations.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago

I still can't figure out how he got in the first time.

I'd point out that the first step in changing somebody's mind on a topic is always to figure out why they believe and behave as they do.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Biden is not funding Israel. The United States government is. Even if he wanted to stop the aid (he doesn't), he doesn't have the power to just ignore laws passed by Congress. Trump did that with Ukraine and got impeached for it.

[-] OneOfTheMicahs@rblind.com 8 points 6 months ago

I mean, he fundamentally does have the power to veto laws. There are potentially negative political consequences in doing so, but he certainly has that power.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Vetoing a bill with well over 2/3 support is pointless because it will just be overridden.

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