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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Amazing that you understand that your country has consistently been on the wrong side of history since WW2, but also believe this this is the first time it's not.

[-] Zagaroth@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

What's wrong with helping a country defend itself from invasion by imperial warmongers?

And to be clear, yes, I am calling Russia imperial warmongers. They have been actively invading neighboring countries for decades to expand themselves. And what is an empire if not a nation built on the conquest of other countries?

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago

What's wrong is your framing. The US is an imperial warmonger and they created the conditions for a proxy war, which Russia engaged with. Russia invaded Ukraine as part of the proxy war with the US. Claiming that the US is just helping Ukraine with its war against Russia is completely misunderstanding what's actually happening.

[-] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The US is an imperial warmonger and they created the conditions for a proxy war, which Russia engaged with.

So the U.S. made Putin's army roll its miles long line of cold-war era military equipment into Ukraine in November of '21?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

It's hard to lie about things that the whole world was watching.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 1 year ago

There's nothing to lie about. What we're seeing is a proxy war between the US and Russia. The US explicitly listed conflict with Russia and China as their new strategic focus during the Obama administration. The US was making plans to include Ukraine in NATO under Clinton while Clinton was saying to Russian leaders that this would never happen.

The US has been working on Ukraine for a very long time, as part of the strategy to dominate Europe and keep Russia from competing with them.

NATO, the world's first transnational military force, staffed and led by literal Nazi officers, built specifically to fight Russia, has been deploying nuclear capabilities all around the world to encircle China and Russia. Deploying weapons systems to the Russia/Ukraine border would be a massive strategic check on Russia by the US. The US wanted this. It worked on Ukraine for decades to bring this about.

Russia invaded Ukraine to fight the US. The US funds, arms, trains, recruits, and provides logistical support for Ukraine but the people dying are Ukrainian.

This is the literal definition of a proxy war.

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