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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lmao typical DNC advertisement regurgitation. This election is not 'the most important election in history'.

Third party of bust

[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 30 points 7 months ago

Oh wow you're the guy from OPs meme

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

We looking at different memes, or should I clarify my stance further?

Vote for third party or bust. A vote for Democrats or Republicans is the same path we're already on, and nobody likes this path

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 11 points 7 months ago

You're gonna get Bust. Vote third party if you want, that's your right (assuming you're a U.S. citizen of course), but a vote for third party is lowering the bar of victory for the worst human alive to hold that office.

You don't have to understand the consequences of your actions, but that's what they are. More genocide, foot on the accelerator towards climate catastrophe, pouring gasoline on what's left of women's rights and setting them on fire.

It's easy to write "fuck literally everyone except the enemies of my enemies" on a piece of paper and throw it in the trash, I don't understand why you'd go through the trouble of voting if that's all you want to do. There are FAR more effective methods of protest.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

a vote for third party is lowering the bar of victory for the worst human alive to hold that office.

Then tell Biden to stop being a dumbass.

[-] nxdefiant@startrek.website 5 points 7 months ago

If I had that kind of access I certainly would.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sounds like U.S. democracy has already failed then.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago
[-] bigfoot@lemm.ee 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

MAGA is "bust". OsrsNeedsF2P is saying he is ok with MAGA because he is personally wealthy enough to weather the storm.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah that's projection. Hurt people, hurt people. They might just be downtrodden and view a change of suffering to be good enough to support.

The new suffering coming is just a concept and not real, so it's less painful in the now even if it might not be in the future. But that yearning for change is basic and people will support all kinds of stuff if they think it will change their current suffering.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

How do you expect Trump to do as President if he wins?

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

You realize Trump is just the tip of the iceberg right? It's not like once he no longer runs the MAGA crowd will disappear. What's your plan for addressing it? Because we held our noses and elected Biden in 2020 and all he's done is fucked around for 3 years.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Oooh no you don't. You can't do the shitty Manager thing and try to toss this back at me. Answer your own question.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We've had lots of plans, there were lots of good candidates in the 2020 primaries. They were all rejected by moderates and liberals. We had the BBB, it was rejected by moderates and liberals. We had the rail strike, it was rejected by moderates and liberals. We have proposed lots of plans. They have all been rejected. The onus is not on us to continue providing plans. Moderates and liberals need our votes to win. They don't like our plans but refuse to provide any viable plans of their own.

I'm done making plans. If moderate and liberals want my vote they need to demonstrate it. If Biden wants my vote he needs to demonstrate it. Compromise with us or lose to MAGA. Make a choice.

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