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FAQ

Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 14 points 7 months ago

this is why you do preferential voting

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 7 months ago

And overhauling our voting system to become such a thing requires engagement in our current system

Specifically pushing for candidates that support it and expressing how important it is to people in your locality (yes you have to talk to people IRL) and to the representatives who win

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This implies that engagement in the political process changes anything. It's been basically mathematically proven that rich people always get their way in our current system and the vast majority get almost nothing. Rich people don't want voting reform. This system is way easier for them to game.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 7 months ago

Oh I forgot that nothing ever changes in regards to voting so we shouldn't even try

Oh wait! Woman's suffrage, The Civil Rights Act (Ending the Jim Crow Era), various states going for universal mail-in ballots, various states currently passing Ranked Choice voting (and actively having movements for it), etc

[-] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Bruh those groups of votes (if there was a positive vote and not a court battle) came at the end of large, vitriolic, sometimes violent movements. Suffrage, civil rights, gay Rights, these things weren't pleasantly discussed then voted on and passed. There were bricks thrown through windows and buildings burnt down.

And then many times they were based on a supreme Court decision that could be overturned, like Jim Crow and Roe v Wade.

Almost any time civil rights and representation has moved forward, it's been at the end of a sword. It gets removed the exact opposite way, the slow churn of the political machine being co-opted by bad players. Even when you see a military coup, it was at the end of a movement.

Voting won't change shit UNLESS you have fought to get what you want on the ballot or else politicians will ignore you to fundraise, that simple imo.

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 months ago

You mean to say they had political engagement?

If the supreme court justices that made those decisions were different because different people won the elections then there's a chance those decisions would have been different.

Politics takes place at many levels, city, county, state, country, there's many elections that are important.

If you don't engage in politics don't be made when shit doesn't go your way.

[-] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

No, they fought, like violently demonstrated, took what was owed.

If you can lose your Rights cause you failed to vote in a Democrat once, you didn't actually have them to begin with.

By all means, vote the lesser of two evils, we're basically forced into it in America, but don't let voting fool you.

You have take what you need from the haves, just like the auto workers union is doing right now.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Specifically pushing for candidates that support it

Yes. Vote Green!

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 18 points 7 months ago

yeah let me just get right on that

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