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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
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Trump, the one who moved the US embassy would, if anything, support Israel even more aggressively than Biden.
It's so infuriating how difficult it is for people to understand this
There are also a large amount of people who understand this and are intentionally acting as if they don't. This is just this round's version of the 'walk away' people from previous elections.
Walk away is such a shitty psyop. I feel bad for anyone stupid enough to fall for the obvious bullshit.
Some people love genocide so much they cannot imagine anyone opposing it without ulterior motives.
Some people love to argue in bad faith.
Is there a good faith argument that can be made in favor of supporting genocide?
No one is supporting genocide. Hence why Oderus implied you were arguing in bad faith. Quit now before you make an ass of yourself.
"Opposition to genocide isn't real", is pretty close to supporting it.
A young man just lit himself on fire to protest our complicity in the genocide, this isn't a made up issue. The people up in arms in my social feeds aren't faceless Russians, they the people who would work past campaigns and donate to Democrats.
Biden circumvented congress to sell weapons to Netanyahu for genocide. That's support for genocide.
You can't justify support for genocide, and I doubt you want Biden to stop doing so. So let's see which Standard Centrist Dismissal you select instead.
Just like @dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com said, no one is arguing for genocide so you're not arguing in good faith. Imagine being so blind and you think Trump and Biden are the same. Unreal how reductive some people are.
If it were possible, you would be ashamed of your comment but here you are.
I didn't say that either. Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Biden has already been critical about the actions of Israel. Trump is in full support so when you say Biden should do X when you know his opposition would lean HARD into X, you are saying they're the same when one is clearly worse.
People like you love to make things black and white when the reality is shades of grey. Israel has the right to defend itself against the Hamas attack that killed over 1000 Israelis. They do not have the right to inflict genocide on anyone and whether or not you think Biden supports it ( hint hint: he doesn't) that doesn't mean Israel is going to stop.
Maybe you're just young and need to grow up a bit. Who knows? I just know your arguments are garbage.
He sold them weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. His tepid criticism is literally the words of a politician. His actions are clear.
Selling them weapons is support.
That doesn't mean we have to help them.
Listen to yourself sometime. We're talking about genocide here. If ever there was something that is clearly morally wrong in all cases, it's genocide. Biden should stop supporting Netanyahu's genocide.
You're so clueless I can't believe I ever bothered engaging with such a child. Grow the fuck up.
And since you can't justify support for genocide, you go for the Standard Centrist Dismissal.
You should stop supporting genocide.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Regardless of how much worse the alternative is.
The alternative appears to be that same genocide plus an authoritarian state run by a corrupt egoistist BTW. Voting for a party is and never has been a vote to support literally every policy they stand on.
I wasn't advocating for not voting for Biden; I was advocating for Biden to cease his support for Netanyahu's genocide.
When you make statements like
You need to understand that the alternative is Trump. Stop creating bullshit noise and get on the same page as everyone else.
"But they're worse" does not justify supporting genocide. Nothing justifies supporting genocide. Biden should stop.
The alternative is Biden not supporting genocide, and if it takes threats to not vote for him to do it, that's well worth it. You act like everything is baked into stone and none of these current actions could have a material impact on the people that are right now dying.
Most would agree, but putting a worse person in power through apathy or inaction isn't the solution.
I'm not advocating for voting for Trump or not voting.
Democrats should not be supporting genocide.
WOW THANKS FOR THE TIP
I'll stop saying it if they ever stop doing it.
Shame Dems won't take it
And what does that look like to you this election cycle?
Stop the bullshit double speak, half truth skirting around the conversation and say, flat out and in plain English, how do you propose we handle this situation as a voter? Give us an actual solution.
We should continue the protests until Biden stops supporting genocide.
We should vote for Biden and not Trump. Democrats should not support genocide. The two aren't contradictory.
"Democrats should not support genocide" is a simple, direct statement.
Your point is received. It's a shitty point, but please, you keep trying to elaborate but you just keep repeating the same useless point.
"Don't support genocide" is shitty only if you want to support genocide.
There isn't one, unless we can somehow replace key centre-right policymakers inside the Democrat party and drag the party to a more firmly progressive platform
Yep, so vote Bernie in the primaries, then when he loses the primary and the election is Biden vs Trump vote Biden.
It sucks that our election system has been warped into a two party shitshow, but here we are.
Our ecosystem will not survive a Trump term. That means our food supply will not survive a Trump term. We do not want a neverending dust bowl.
Additionally of you really think Trump will do anything for peace you haven't been listening to his words or looked at his actions.
I said Democrats should not support genocide. I did not say people should not vote for Biden. I did not say people should vote for Trump.
I said that Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Biden should stop and you should too.
Why I started with, "Yep". Another word for yes.
Then don't accuse me of being a trumpist because I don't think that Democrats should be supporting genocide.
You think Trump, the guy who makes transparent threats of violence every other sentence, would stop Israel from levelling Gaza?
I think Democrats should stop supporting genocide. They should vote for Biden and not Trump.
Biden should stop supporting genocide, and pro-genocide centrists should stop assuming that opposition to genocide is support for Trump. Or at least scroll down and see if others haven't spammed identical genocide apologia.
He's good friends with and likely has donations from Netanyahu. And all Trump and the GOP have to do (as usual) is sit back and watch the left fight and destroy itself while the gop sit back and win.
Democrats are so damn stupid. Not a single one of your candidates and potential presidents is against Israel, none, so why make it an issue for this election?
Because I'm guessing the hope is that Biden will see the threats to not vote and change his tact in order to keep his job.
Talk about blowing off your own foot cause your toe hurts.
Russian propaganda.
Idiot
? The reason it’s being pushed is Russian propaganda.