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[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

OP is clearly referring to determinism in a materialist sense and one that leads to a poverty of action.W

Where did I imply this, allow me to quote myself on my previous post.

in recognizing determinism one can resign themselves to the supposed inevitable - that would be stupid, or one could go on living as if they had free will even though it’s probably determined or at least random. Remember that even if it is determined your determined actions still matter. Being convinced whether or not you have free will may be out of your control, but the following actions will still affect the world.

There's my dialectics.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Where did I imply this

The title of this post, the content of this post, and your first response to me.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Sorry for making my meme simplified without a long caveat explaining what I mean exactly philosophically.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Oversimplification is not anyone's complaint here

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

So what is it? This whole argument seems to have started because you didn't like that I used "determinism" positively in the title, as you assumed it implied I thought the universe worked in simple mechanics as Marx's opponents did.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

What is what? I think my criticism is pretty plain and I've had to repeat it many times.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Your position from the first comment is free will and determinism both exist. I have never seen a reason to believe in free will. That is why we are at odds. I don't know if I believe in determinism, but free will as most people use it is incompatible with dialectical materialism.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Your position from the first comment is free will and determinism both exist.

Are you sure about that?

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Dialectical materialism holds that both are at work but that material conditions are dominant.

Am I supposed to take "both" to not include "free will?"

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

You're supposed to review your claim to see whether it's accurate.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

What claim do you want me to review?

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

The one I quoted

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I stand behind my impression that “both” was intended to mean that diamat is ultimately compatiblist. A claim I disagree with, as I am not a compatiblist, yet I see no conflict between that and my dialectical materialist outlook.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

Do you really not know what I'm challenging you on?

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

The question is not yet settled by simply debunking religious dogma?

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

I guess that's a yes lol

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

This conversation has gone all over the place, I don't know what point you were originally trying to make.

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