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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

Isn't this the entire theory behind our support for Ukraine?

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago

I don't think that applies for military conflict between states. Pretty sure the justification used there is another UN resolution that essentially freezes borders to what they were that year and doesn't allow for territorial change using military conflict or something along those lines.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 40 points 6 months ago

Again, this seems like a pretty blatant contradiction. Not that it matters to a bunch of Settlers. But from the Unaligned perspective, it seems glaring.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Oh yeah, it definitely is. The excuse I think is that "Israel was defending itself whenever it captured new terrotory so it doesn't count". Which is also Russia's casus belli as well iirc lol

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 6 months ago

No it isn't. Russia is intervening on behalf of the people of Donbas fighting for their selfdetermination and their right to not be murdered by Ukrianian nazis. It would be more similar if let's say Egypt intervened in Gaza War by attacking Israel and you would defend Israel because of that.

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 months ago

Afaik the UN charter itself is the one that banned war between members and forbade annexation

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago

The justification for Ukraine is territorial integrity, the ruling China is alluding to can easily apply to the Donbass, Luhansk, and Crimean republics

[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Donbas, Lubansk, and Crimea all have a right to self-determination and declared their independence.

It would be more like if Ireland invaded Northern Ireland. NI is part of the UK just like Donetsk was part of Ukraine, but it would be perverse to consider Ireland a colonizer in that context given the ethnic makeup and history of the place.

Maybe at worst you can frame it as Russian revanchism but even to go that far you have to simply discard any memory of the decade long civil war and politics of brutality that took place there before Russia got involved.

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