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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Religion ruins lives, men's impression of women and objectifies women, as well as The Church helping facilitate the trafficking of children and being lenient on cp. But sure, it's all about this "unverifiable" book, I guess

Organized religion has ruined far more lives than porn ever has, both directly and indirectly.

Millions upon millions of deaths and countless unnecessary suffering can be laid at the feet of religion, there's a war going on because of religion right now. What was the last war that was started over porn? I don't remember any crusades "in the name of porn". Porn is all inclusive of everyone's backgrounds, can't say the same for religion.

And don't go all "those are different sects/church's, can't blame their actions on my Church" blah blah blah, I could throw a dart at a dart board full of every religion, sect and church and pull up some deep dark atrocities about the one it lands on.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago

So what about Atheism then? You know, Maoist China, Soviet Russia and very arguably Nazi Germany

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 6 points 7 months ago

I was interested in your comment and found this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian nation

and 1.5% as "atheist"

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Identifying as Christian and actually being one are completely separate things. Hitler pretended to be a Christian in public yet hated it in private. Your own article even says this:

Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state. Although the broader membership of the Nazi Party after 1933 came to include many Catholics and Protestants, aggressive anti-Church radicals like Joseph Goebbels, Alfred Rosenberg, Martin Bormann, and Heinrich Himmler saw the Kirchenkampf campaign against the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-Church and anticlerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.

Hitler's Propaganda Minister, Joseph Goebbels, saw an "insoluble opposition" between the Christian and Nazi world views. The Führer angered the churches by appointing Alfred Rosenberg as official Nazi ideologist in 1934. Heinrich Himmler saw the main task of his SS organization to be that of acting as the vanguard in overcoming Christianity and restoring a "Germanic" way of living. Hitler's chosen deputy, Martin Bormann, advised Nazi officials in 1941 that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 3 points 7 months ago

I don't think whether they were really Christian or not makes much difference to the argument. Sure the top of the party may not have been devout church goers, but the population needed a religious edge to be pushed into war.

So I ask myself: if the nazi were outgoing atheists world war 2 may not have happened?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago

It had little to do with religion, though. It was more to do with eugenics and science. There is no way you could justify the holocaust using the Bible.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago

So you're saying it's impossible to be moral and atheist at the same time. That's interesting I wonder how you justify the holy wars then?

Get out of here with your nonsense. If you're not going to engage in actual discussion just don't start.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I literally never said that. I was pointing out how athiest regimes, upon the dismissal of God, still carried out genocide and murder. I was pointing out how the argument saying religion causes atrocities is fundamentally stupid.

Any time I claimed atheism was bad was making a point to how another side of the argument can be made. Devil's advocate, if you will.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

WhAt AbOuT AtHeISM

Stfu, I've read through your other comments and that's the only counter point you ever bring up, and I said nothing about it.

You're trying to be subtle about it, but it's still evident that you're a run of the mill "Don't turn away from god! You'll go-to hell! Don't sin! Think about ThE AfTErLifE! No sex before marriage!" Religious nut.

You even have a comment towards someone: (I'm not going back to copy/paste so paraphrasing) "You're telling people to prioritize 70-90 years of their life instead of eternity in the afterlife" yea no shit, our 70-90 years are the only thing somewhat guaranteed vs a mythical afterlife

But as I've learned in my life, there's no point in bringing up structured counter points with a religious nut as they'll just constantly pull gotchas out their ass. So bye 👋

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 7 months ago

May The Lord have mercy upon you, my brother.

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