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California's war on plastic bag use seems to have backfired. Lawmakers are trying again
(www.latimes.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Feb 2024
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They did this in the UK and it worked. The Cali law just has dumb ass loopholes in it.
That's cause we didn't actually ban them. Neo Liberals thought people would stop using them if they had to pay 10 cents.
Turns out, nobody cared. We need an actual ban.
Not OP, but that's what we did in the UK too... I'm honestly confused reading the post and the comments calling California out on this. I must be misunderstanding something because we did the same thing and it really, really worked. The UK led the charge on the concept of 'nudges' like this and it's been successful and widely praised. We still have thick plastic bags that you buy for 10p, but most people really do keep some on hand for most situations so plastic dumping has been significantly reduced.
Somewhere a Social Anthropologist is lining up their PhD paper.
The 'nudges' thing is contested. It's basically from one book and the studies that used it mostly showed temporary single digit differences. Then there's a lot of celebration that "the rate of change is picking up!" before long term effects fail to emerge. It falls smack dab in the center of the replication crisis.
A lot more direct action is required to make sizeable changes, like outreach campaigns and actually trying to change people's minds/behavior.
Fair enough, thank you for clarifying! 'replication crisis' were the first words in my head as soon as I saw the top line of your comment haha.
What? Cloth bags are vastly superior. You wash them every once and a while with all the rest of your clothes. I just bring them back down to my car so I have them wherever I go. That is by far the best option.
Try putting anything with any liquid on it in a cloth bag and report back bud
What the fuck liquids are you buying in a store and putting in a bag? There are already several other containers made to hold liquids. Bags are not one of them.
Tell that to Canadians and their weird ass milk solutions.
It’s okay it happens frequently
There are permanent plastic bags too...
I think the gig economy and the pandemic both had a hand in this as well. The pandemic set things up for curbside pickup and increased the number of people using things like Instacart, and a lot of people who switched to that have stayed on them. But both curbside pickup and Instacart-style services need a convenient way for the collector of goods to get that stuff to the purchaser, so they're going to buy bags for their deliveree. And the deliveree is going to end up with stacks and stacks of reusable bags that they're never going to reuse (because they order pickup or delivery). They try to donate them but a lot of places don't take them, so they end up in the trash.
It could still be a financial penalty, but it should be 10 dollars instead of 10 cents.
That would probably do it