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On the basis of honest discussion I disagree with this, at least partially. It seems very much remniscient of the whole "subdue the earth" bullshit that seemingly has guided much of human politics because some 19th century dickweeds couldn't accept that man and beast aren't actually that dissimilar. That's a being with emotions and some kind of things akin / near feelings. (and sorry if I'm very much triggered here
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I genuinely think the bigger problem here is pushing it too far. If the actual goddamn wild hog grows up with you, it considers you a peer, pack member or whatever, because animals do form social bonds. Crucially, it is too fucking dumb to realize you are way, way more squishy than another hog which would've licked their wounds about this and recovered.
I think the moral of the story here is big, wild animals aren't mindless killers that adhere to no social relations, it is that the risk if your wild hog ever misjudges the amount of rough housing it can do you're dead as fuck because wild hogs are terrifyingly durable. Do not get too friendly with an animal that, as soon as it approaches a group of 10, will fuck up any civilisatory achievement made by humans.
I don't think we're so different in spirit, but i do think we're very much different in razor sharp tusks backed up by 300kg of angy
This sounds a lot like "they do not think like us at all," especially combined with how easily they might interact with other hogs in this manner.
Beyond "they too feel pain and suffering is bad," the pro-vegan arguments that compare humans and animals have never struck me as very persuasive.
What, because they don't think on how much damage they might inflict on an otherwise loved ( /liked) one?
Animals are not just “stupid humans”. That thought has gotten many people mauled or killed by confused or scared animals. You’re patronizing these creatures by essentially calling them too stupid to understand their own actions. They are sapient beings, they act with intent.
A five year old human wouldn’t randomly attack and seek to draw blood on what is essentially their parent without serious provocation and warning given. This behavior would be considered severely mentally ill if exhibited by a human. It is normal for a hog.
None of what I said has any bearing on whether they should be eaten or not. It is wrong to eat something that can think and feel.
Humans are blessed by evolution with the concept of empathy, and it’s our duty to use it.
This is a lot of words to say "non-human animals do not think like humans because they are different". It doesn't matter how close in "spirit" we are to other biological organisms we are, the material circumstances of our existence are different and therefore we are different. A hog will always be a hog even if you teach it to count and respond to its name. That's not an argument that devalues their lives as living organisms, recognizing that non-humans and humans are different should not devalue the lives of non-humans to a vegan.