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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I usually align more with higher defense spending and certain military usage.

Neither party is against higher defense spending. Not a reason to vote Republican.

I’m pretty conservative regarding abortion

It's already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

I support highest border security

Republicans don't. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

I usually align more to republican foreign policy

I notice you didn't say what policy that was. So I'm going to have to assume it's "aid Russia and Israel as much as possible" since that's their current foreign policy. Probably not a good reason to vote Republican.

I want you to prove you’re a citizen and have the right to vote in US elections

You mean the thing you've already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

My views on gun control. I want more controls, but not banning guns by type.

Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

I dislike the Russian invasion, but there’s flipping on that.

They haven't flipped on it so far. Not a reason to vote Republican.

I dislike mandated diversity stuff.

Please give an example and then explain what Republicans have done about it.

As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

So I'm still going with 'people who vote Republican support fascism' and I also notice you have no critique of their LGBT+ bigotry, which also makes me think the 'support fascism' thing applies.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s already illegal. How much more conservative can you get? If this is a reason to vote Republican, you must want to arrest women who have miscarriages just in case. Generally not a reason to vote Republican anymore.

That's a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just don't like it. One party is against it, one is for it.

Republicans don’t. They just killed their own border bill. Not a reason to vote Republican.

Yeah, in this election, terrible political moves for party shenanigans over the general good. But surprise. Generally, the two parties won't compromise and fix immigration, so one tries to bypass the issue by not preventing crossing. The other tries to avoid fixing it by putting up a fence. The lesser of two evils for me until the policy gets fixed is a fence. Sorry. Like I said, I want immigration fixed, but until then...

“aid Russia and Israel as much as possible”

I assume you mean Ukraine? I want Ukraine supported, Rs did that until they got pissed about all the money/long. Not sure about Israel/Pal. Long term bad stuff over there I don't fully understand. I don't support mass killings of people in the streets, bombings, rockets, bulldozing people's houses, etc. That statement says I don't support either group since they've both been doing those things from what I can tell. Each's reasons why gets at the root causes, much bigger discussion.

There's more to it than those two recent conflict.

You mean the thing you’ve already had to do my entire 20+ years of voting in the U.S.? Not a reason to vote Republican.

Well, that's why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. It's not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driver's license. Some localities have worked to allow non-residents to vote. Doesn't make sense to me.

Republicans want zero controls. Zero. Not a reason to vote Republican.

Disagree. I think you missed the part about I disagree with eliminating guns as the main initiative. I would be more sided with the D party on guns if they would stop talking about banning assault riffles as one of the main fixes.

As far as I can tell, you have not given a single good reason to vote Republican.

Reason for you I guess. So far, you haven't given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

That’s a terrible assumption of my stance on abortion. Keeping this super easy, I just don’t like it. One party is against it, one is for it.

Again- this issue has already been decided. It is not a reason to vote Republican.

I assume you mean Ukraine?

I do not. If you don't even understand the very basic fact that Republicans have been on Russia's side for this entire conflict, you are very politically naïve.

Well, that’s why I disagree with any political initiative to frame that as discrimination. It’s not. Otherwise, driving, buying alcohol, renting cars, etc is also all discrimination because you have to have a driver’s license.

Oh, you mean the thing you have to have when you register to vote? Like I said, same thing for my entire 20+ years of voting. Have you never actually registered to vote?

Disagree.

You can disagree that Republicans want zero gun regulations, but unless you can name a few, your disagreement is moot.

You still haven't given me a good reason for you to vote Republican.

you haven’t given me any reason to think that every person who votes for that party is a fascist, hates women, hates poor people, etc.

I didn't say they were. I said they supported people who are. Which makes them just as bad. And makes you just as bad for supporting them too, especially since you have not given one single rational reason to support them and several highly irrational explanations.

Also, you still have said nothing about the hateful, bigoted Republican position on LGBT+ people, which makes me think you agree with it.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

bigoted Republican position on LGBT+ people, which makes me think you agree with it.

and absolutely not.

Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

Yeah, that one’s tough. Most of the conservative people I’ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They don’t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist on this one. I wouldn’t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.

Trans people need to be oppressed as do other LGBT+ people?

Yeah, that one’s tough. Most of the conservative people I’ve heard in real life (not the villains on TV) range from indifferent to disapproving. They don’t understand why all the noise and want people to be quiet and go away. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist on this one. I wouldn’t support policies that limit medical care, ownership, etc based on relationship status. I very much believe most conversative or rightish people that have harsh opinions of the trans issue have never met or had a real relationship with someone who struggled with identify, medal health, etc.

Some are bigots for sure, cake lady comes to mind. Again, if every person ever who claims republican is a community hating bigot, then every (minority/non-white) is a (stereotype/criminal/inflammatory statement).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I see, you just vote for bigots who hate LGBT+ people and want to oppress them.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, lastly:

This conversation being geared towards: (why vote for some things aligned with republican?) also omits all the things that would likely align with American democratic party, and personal beliefs and opinions that expand on why. Those things reveal life experience, compassion, empathy, compromise, etc. None of that is represented in a single what do you agree with exchange. Making the whole thing relate back to why a republican lady doesn't like trump. It's also why I don't judge people soley on which button they push (d/r).

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And, again, if you vote for the party that wants to oppress LGBT+ people- and they do-, I will judge you.

But let me know about the Republican you've voted for that champions the rights of LGBT+ people. Name them please.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Since I asked you to name the Republicans you have voted for who were pro-LGBT+, does this mean you voted for Ileana Ros-Lehtinen at some point between 1989 and 2019 or did you not actually bother reading what I responded to you with again?

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Your attitude is poor, or at least your assumption is inaccurate. I understand you want me to admit I haven't personally voted for a politician based on their stance regarding that issue. Why? If I haven't personally voted for someone because they supported that topic, then I hate people and am an bigot?

I did read it. The point was that there were a lot more supporters in the party, meaning they don't all hate a group of people based on bigotry. Some at least try, that's better than rounding them all up in camps as fascist governments might do to a group they want to exterminate.

I'm limited to the people I'm presented with.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

In other words, you can't name one single Republican you've voted for that wasn't an anti-LGBT+ bigot.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What about Islamic religion? Are they bigots? There's a proper way to beat your wife constructively and lovingly.

Are they bigots?

They don't like community people either. I think they kill them? I watched a video of a group of them cutting the heads off two guys over bigot views.

Would rather have mild Republican bigotry then murder I guess.

I'm curious though if that's all of them, or some of them? All one political party,.or some?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Even now you won't give one single name of a non-bigoted Republican you have voted for. And it should be very obvious why that is. And why you vote for them anyway. Which makes you as bad as them.

Thanks for proving my point.

Goodbye.

[–] MSgtRedFox@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

One of my senators supported the marriage act and voted for it, the other didn't. I don't know them personally, but at least one was for it.

I'm not sure if he hates an entire group of people or not. I don't like that they won't just support it, treat people as the same, and get the whole thing put to bed.

I'd love to support a different senator who had proper values about this specific topic, but didn't also contrast with other topics.

Why does this matter? Do you think my voting decision affects over generalizing a whole group?

Clearly there is division amount that party where some are not bogits.

Sometimes things aren't all or nothing.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I have given you three chances to provide me with a single name of any Republican you voted for that was not an anti-LGBT+ bigot.

You haven't done so.

You are not conversing in good faith and I think it's obvious why.

Thank you for proving my point.

I think we're done here.