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[-] Shepstr@feddit.uk 24 points 10 months ago

Jesus, lemmy is full of hate

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 77 points 10 months ago

I have 0 sympathy for monarchial families living off the backs of UK taxpayers for... Centuries :|

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

Yea, I don't wish death upon the guy but come on, get a job now

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 24 points 10 months ago

As an American, if I got cancer like this dude has, having a job there is a very high chance I'd be destitute IF I lived. World class medical treatment off the backs of his subjects.. yeahno my dude, worlds smallest violen playing.jpeg

He can wipe his cancer tears up with whatever the largest denomination of pounds you guys use is xD

[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 months ago

But he's British and we have a good NHS so that's kinda a weird argument

I hate the royal family but for reasons that many sense

[-] Scribbd@feddit.nl 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And when a president gets COVID he gets drugged up and gets the best treatment on the taxpayers dime. While the people are left with life shattering medical debt.

While these subjects can get medical treatment, for just a fraction, and no debts... Like the king...

So what is your point?

We have been playing the whole sad orchestra for you guys, seeing you push out this attitude like it is a win over something.

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago

i mean we have the nhs in the uk, so it's not really the same as the us since everyone here has access to the nhs

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I'm not sure I follow. I know health insurance in the US is often tied to a salaried job, so if you have one, then why would you be destitute ?

Now I'm not British, but I agree with the sentiment

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 16 points 10 months ago

If you have seen breaking bad, the premise of that show is an apt description. Insurance companies here will often deny you necessary life saving medical treatment for.. reasons

Other example: a woman with a family history of breast cancer was denied a doctor recommended mammogram to check on some potentially cancerous lumps because she has... Already had too many mammograms.

Profit incentive in the healthcare industry is no bueno:|

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Yea I guess I didn't quite grasp how bad it was

[-] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 months ago

Health insurance doesn’t pay enough for shit, you end up destitute even with it.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago
[-] PastyWaterSnake@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Lost/reduced wages from time off work, and health insurance doesn't cover everything.

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[-] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Because insurance pays for a portion of your treatment, rarely 100% of it, and the moment you start racking up bigger bills, insurance starts looking for ways to not pay your claims. They'll put a hold on payment until you call them and broker a deal or they go back and forth with your doctor demanding that you receive some treatment other than what that doctor recommends.

I have Crohn's Disease, an autoimmune disorder that is often treated with immunosuppressants. First, they did not want to pay for my initial "loading dose" because it has to be done by infusion. That's a ~$25,000 procedure (3-4 hours on an IV). I talked them into it by telling them that only the first dose would be by infusion and the rest by self injection.

But when my company decided to pay for a less expensive insurance plan that started at the beginning of the year, they suddenly didn't want to pay for the injections either. Now I owe 30% of the cost of my injections. That's almost $4,000 a dose that I take every 8 weeks, about $25,000/year.

So now I use a coupon program through a separate company, and they bill the remainder of the balance to the company who produces the medicine who give me a $21,000 annual credit toward paying the remainder. So now to get my medicine I must coordinate between my doctor, a specialty pharmacy, my insurance provider, a company that runs the coupon program, and the company that produces the medicine... Just to get a syringe delivered to me on a schedule. And the credit probably won't last until the end of the year; I'll probably end up shelling out a few thousand for my meds around Christmas time this year.

If any of the complicated web of companies that collectively get me these meds doesn't have everything lined up in their system, I don't get my meds. My last dose was almost three weeks late to me because of all the calling around I had to do. Because we don't have a central health care authority, that means each company maintains their own system of record. Each phone call involves working through a phone tree to get to a human agent, working through the same set of identity verification steps with them, explaining the situation over again to a different person every time...

It's a real pain in the ass, and they do it on purpose to get you to give up. Having insurance doesn't mean your health care is paid for, and you pay a premium (hundreds of dollars) on every paycheck to keep the insurance that still doesn't pay for your medical costs. Having health insurance does not mean you don't still pay through the teeth for your health care. Having health insurance does not mean that health care is accessible to you. Having insurance that makes health care accessible today does not mean they won't change the rules behind your back, and that you will still have access to health care tomorrow.

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

what the actual fuck..... thanks for sharing your story and I wish you courage. Have you considered moving ? given the severity of your condition ?

[-] medgremlin@midwest.social 2 points 10 months ago

All things considered, their situation is not as bad as it could be. I had a job where one of my duties was to get prior authorizations for every procedure we did in an oncology-focused plastic surgery clinic. The vast majority of the procedures were breast reconstruction following mastectomy and skin cancer excisions. I had an insurance company demand documentation and evidence of medical need to close the incision site after excising the melanoma. They were gracious enough to allow the excision without requiring a prior authorization, but in order for the surgeon to close that incision (or in this particular case, fill in the area with a skin graft because the amount of skin to be removed precluded a simple closure), we had to file a mountain of paperwork on a tight deadline because the procedure couldn't wait more than a week or so.

I've also worked in hospitals, and every hospital I've worked in has social workers on staff to help patients line up emergency insurance coverage or financial assistance for emergency medical care. I never actually saw the bills for it, but we treated a kiddo that was a bystander in a drive-by shooting that was transferred to our hospital from another ER so that they could have the pediatric trauma surgeons try to fix his femur. So that's two top-level ER visits, an ambulance ride, an ICU stay, and probably a bunch of surgeries and associated hospitalizations...because this 2 year old got hit in the leg with a stray bullet. The total almost certainly topped 7 digits. Shit's fucked, yo.

[-] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

It's always a consideration, but the question is where would we move to (and how much am I willing to uproot my family)? Canada is a nice place with a better healthcare system, so maybe there? But that's expensive all on its own, and I have to consider that I have two autistic kiddos who are currently receiving their education at the best school in the state for special ed kiddos. Is it worth it? Maybe not. For now, I think we should stay where we are. I love it here, except for the high cost of my own care. Think I'd rather stick it out and fight for a better system here. Maybe we can improve things for everyone instead of jumping ship.

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

Is hating monarchies not natural? What gives someone the right to rule over others just because of their bloodline?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago
[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

I mean, having some water nymph toss a sword at someones feet is at least as good of a justification for governmental power - and if I'm honest, a better one at that.

It's like 40% more creative than "I have all the money and the big boogey man in the sky said I have the right to reign supreme - who are you to question God?"

[-] machiabelly@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

royals are for guillotines

[-] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago

Please for the love of anything you love stop crying for monarchists and bring back the guillotine. For FUCKS SAKE YOU'RE LITERALLY THINKING LIKE A MIDDLE AGES SERF. GOD EMPEROR SHIT RIGHT HERE

If any of you fucking liberals ever say ANYTHING about communist countries having cults of personality I'm going to haul ass and personally take shits inside your house that will leave you confused for years to come

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I came here to say: Good take

[-] veng@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

....Cup of tea, sir?

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[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

I'm begging liberals to remember the one cool thing they ever did, which was chopping off their monarchs' heads, and commit to that. Just that. Come on now, this is an argument that's been solved for like 200 years now: monarchs and aristocrats are dogshit and deserve to be forcibly removed from their positions of wealth and authority.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Imagine simping for an inbred German shambling corpse.

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

Totally out of the loop on UK royalty, because they're basically just a medieval version of the Kardashians that's hung around waaaaay too long.

I was under the impression that the monarchy's power was predicated on their right to rule being divine, which could only be maintained by keeping their bloodline ~~inbred~~ pure.

Charles is German?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Charles is German?

I wouldn't say he is German, but German dynasties have sit on the British throne since George I was crowned in 1714. Up till queen Victoria all monarchs belonged to the house of Hanover. Victoria married Albert of house Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and their son Edward VII was counted as the member of that dynasty. Edward's son George V changed their surname to "Windsor" in 1917.

And i imagine that the house of Saxony which part house Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is, is pretty inbred since basically every surviving european noble today is either part of it or closely related.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Queen Victoria is from the House of Hanover and Prince Albert is from the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. The British royal family changed their house to Windsor during WWI because the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha sounded too German.

If you're going by just family ancestry, Charles III is mostly German. Here's me after wasting time on Wikipedia:

Maternal grandfather's grandparents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VII: Anglicized German

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark: Danish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis,_Duke_of_Teck: Austrian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Mary_Adelaide_of_Cambridge: German

Maternal grandmother's grandparents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Bowes-Lyon,_13th_Earl_of_Strathmore_and_Kinghorne: English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Bowes-Lyon,_Countess_of_Strathmore_and_Kinghorne: English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cavendish-Bentinck_(priest): English

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisa_Cavendish-Bentinck: English

Paternal grandfather's grandparents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_IX_of_Denmark: Danish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_of_Hesse-Kassel: German

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Konstantin_Nikolayevich_of_Russia: Russian Romanov, but he had 3 German grandparents, so his ancestry is mostly German

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alexandra_of_Saxe-Altenburg: German

Paternal grandmother's grandparents:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Alexander_of_Hesse_and_by_Rhine: German

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia,_Princess_of_Battenberg: Pole of German descent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IV%252C_Grand_Duke_of_Hesse: German

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Alice_of_the_United_Kingdom: German

[-] ohitsbreadley@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

Thank you for the hardcore wiki linking - sincerely, I appreciate the labor you put into this reply.

C3 is a certified Deutsch.

Wild that they could just... Change their house like that. "Oh all that family lineage and history, no, no the name sounds quite too much like those jerries - the peasants won't like it much - what now? yes yes, Windsor we are, always have been, chip cheerio - get in the trench my good chap, and fight my former brethren, I mean those awful germans."

[-] Shepstr@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago

Who did what now?

[-] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 10 months ago

Do you want a list of the atrocities committed by the English monarchy?

Hate for this family is deserved

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[-] EnderMB@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I dislike the royals, but ultimately any person suffering with cancer is deserving of sympathy.

[-] purahna@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 10 months ago

I kind of think you'd have a different tune if this were Putin to be honest, wanna talk about why? In my mind, all of the appeals to civility are just status quo worship veiled in "human decency" that 1) doesn't consider the good that would be brought to the world by his passing and 2) isn't extended to anyone outside of the status quo power structure.

[-] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

If Putin, Xi or {designated USA enemy} had cancer, fucking westerners would throw 7 days of celebrations

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

for this guy, who leeches off the work of real human beings and hides child rapists from justice? absolutely, my hate for him is a source of strength and pride, I'm glad to have it on display.

[-] Akasazh@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah the news and world news subs really took a tumble of late. I came for some modicum of intellectual debate, but it's a shame how quickly that derails.

[-] Shepstr@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

Most subs seem to be afflicted.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 3 points 10 months ago

It depends very much on what instance the thread is on.

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