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When did lemmy become such a shithole? I know people here tend to be young, but I thought they were generally more intelligent than this shit. So much "genocide Joe" bullshit. People that will refuse to vote, and then completely absolve themselves when they hand it to Trump and the genocide escalates.
It's not about Palestinian lives, it's about making sure you don't feel guilty for personally voting for Joe Biden.
Grow the fuck up
It’s just idiots, can’t escape them. Not on Reddit, not on Lemmy, and not when it comes to deciding our shared fate via elections. And I assume some portion of the “genocide Joe” crowd are just plants.
You can demand better from your elected officials, while continuing to vote for them. Joe is a horrible democrat candidate, and I have zero qualms about making that known. But he’s also the only candidate the party has been willing to put forth, so it’s who I’ll end up voting for. That doesn’t mean I need to be happy or enthusiastic about voting for him.
Biden is actively giving money to a genocidal state, I'm still going to vote for him because the only other choice is a literal fascist who wants to start genocides here as well.
I don't think it's that simple, especially for people of colour, and especially for those with Arab and especially Palestinian heritage.
America hasn't been great to us ever. Since 2001 it has gotten distinctly worse for us.
A lot of us have family who are being or have been bombed by the US indiscriminately. The US and Joe Biden is funding a genocide. That's not made up. That's not a joke. The US is more upset that the Houthis raised global shipping by a couple percent than they are that the ally that they give the most money to has killed north of 25000 defenseless people in three months.
I agree that voting for trump is going to make it worse for everyone, which is why I will still vote for Biden. But I voted begrudgingly for him last time, because I knew he was fake, and not really liberal. He hasn't stood by a single campaign promise he made. If a legitimate, liberal, left wing third party came up, I would vote for them immediately. Choosing between one racist piece of shit and a more racist, more orange piece of shit is not a great choice.
Again, I agree that trump would be a million times worse for brown and black people. But I get why a lot of Arab Americans and black Americans are fucking tired of it, and want to make a point to the DNC. That same party that is not a left wing party or a liberal party, that is completely bought out by corporations (ex. See how they fucked Bernie in 2016), and that will turn around and blame brown and black voters for not delivering them the white house when literally over half.of white women and white men want Donald Trump.
A lot of the people I've spoken to now are done. This was never really our country and politicians have made it even more obvious that it isn't. So the idea that a lot of people have now is "well fuck it, why should we vote to save this country when the people who run this country keep.fucking it up and especially fucking us over. It's time for whitey to do his/her part if they actually care, and if they don't fuck it, we will leave"
It's not about growing up, it's about being tired of being second or third class citizens. The only reason this is getting such a big shout-out now is because the policies are finally starting to affect white people, white women in particular. And yet somehow.still over half of them want trump in.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/24/despite-supreme-court-ruling-biden-has-forgiven-student-debt-for-millions.html
Honestly, if you think he hasn't fulfilled any of his promises it's because you don't want to acknowledge his attempts and those who are standing in the way.
The ones saying that never do. They try to act like a promise means that whatever politician can make whatever thing happen all by themselves and if they can't then it's a lie.
These people would've been so deeply disappointed in a Bernie Sanders presidency. They can dream whatever they want but the GOP would've absolutely melted down and said "we'll shut the whole government down before we let this socialist do anything he campaigned on"
I think you're partially right, but Sanders would've used the bully pulpit to constantly castigate GOPers standing in his way (remember this is before MAGAts got elected). I think Bernie is far more effective on messaging than most other dems simply bc he doesn't give af about calling people out.
Obama used the bully pulpit for that, too. I don't feel like it moved the needle very much.
One can literally hate Joe Biden, and still continue to vote for Joe Biden. If I am in the position of voting for democratic candidates that aren't funded by AIPAC, and is willing to be critical against Israel, I'd vote for them unless forced to (the other candidate is a Republican.). I think the responsible thing to do is to continue criticizing the decision to support Israel, as well as their action, reject Hamas, vote for democratic candidates and try picking the ones that aren't paid for by the AIPAC.
Ok, protesting and poking Joe with a stick is not the same as refusing to vote for him in the general election.
Lemmy is a younger user base, more technologically inclined and more prone to capture by social media propaganda.
This place is worse than Reddit in some respects. These people don't gaf about the lives of people at risk, they care about satisfying their white saviour guilt being prompted by the tragedy du jour. There's literally millions of Arabs in the immediate vicinity who are being killed by other Arabs and no one gives a flying fuck sadly.
Aren’t conspiracies spread on social media proliferating through the older demographic? I don’t think it’s unique to age.
I think there's a difference between conspiracy and falling for misinformation if that makes sense....thin line though I'm sure. We're all susceptible at some level.
That’s fair — I view the two as severity.
I’m youngish, and as I started my thirties I started to notice the most common thing with the young is they wield political theory a bit too homogeneously.
Like, when I realized I was a lefty in my twenties every issue started to be framed in how capitalism was the noxious root of the problem, but I lacked the real world context where pointing that out wasn’t helpful.
Now if someone came along with information that confirmed my perspective I used less scrutiny— because they were “like me” and “we’re one of the ‘good’ guys so they wouldn’t lie to me.” Now, I’m unsure if aging is going to make this better or worse tho 😅 I’m just more aware of it now.