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Other example would be "all men have penis". Accusing someone for "faking their identity".

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[-] can@sh.itjust.works 56 points 10 months ago

I have no idea what any of this is trying to convey.

[-] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I translate:

be a biologist
research clovers
everyone says "clovers have 3 leaves"
its a law of nature
go outside
find 4-leaf clover
i better take it to court for violating laws of nature

This is obviously stupid. Discovering something that violates a descriptive 'law' means the law was wrong. And yet, people do this in conversation all the time.

Sometimes casual conversation begins with a "But". E.g., someone might say "But anyway, have you seen that new movie Oppenheimer?"

Grammar nazis react to this by saying "You can't say 'but' at the start of a sentence if that sentence isn't a rebuttal of the previous sentence! It's a law of english!"

'Laws' of english are meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive. But alas, we live in a society 😔

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 17 points 10 months ago

I have no idea what any of this is trying to convey.

[-] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"I am annoyed when people correct me for using casual language. Doing so is stupid. Language isn't static. The purpose of language is to be understood, so as long as you understood me, I did it 'correctly'. Here is an analogy using plants."

[-] jak@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago

That grammar evolves naturally, like species do, so any rules we find for the categorization of either should reflect reality, not try to dictate it.

For example, I just started that bit with a clause, which means it’s a fragment, not a sentence. I still put a period at the end of it and started it without any lead in, which is “wrong,” but it’s more that the rule is wrong, because what I wrote plays the role of a sentence in this case.

[-] candybrie@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

You can decide all clovers have 3 leafs. That doesn't mean 4 leaf covers stop existing or are wrong.

You can decide "but" is only for contradictions. That doesn't mean people won't use it other ways or it's wrong.

You can decide all men have penises. That doesn't mean some won't or that's wrong.

You deciding shit doesn't actually change reality. And being pissy about it is as idiotic as suing 4 leaf clovers for you thinking they should only have 3 leafs.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago

It's a Zen Koan.

Basically, the meaning of it is "live your life proudly, and don't let other people dictate whether your rules are right or wrong, because your rule just is".

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