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[-] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 113 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they're on the same boards of directors, they're in the same country clubs. They have like interests, they don't need to call a meeting. They know what's good for them."

-George Carlin, from an episode of Politically Incorrect

https://youtu.be/VAFd4FdbJxs?si=BZOXSSkui3_FbyCd

There are powerful classes of people that oppress you, but not because they go to secret meetings where they plan to, power/capital simply tends to corrupt.

And from our perspective it feels coordinated because the capitalist's punches all come from the same direction: downward from above.

The truth is, they've bled us dry and have begun to turn on and eat one another having conquered the board with little room left to grow/metastasize. That's why entire economic sectors are turning into TimeWarnerHBODiscoveryParamountSoonEtc...

[-] lledrtx@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago

I think the ruling class "controls/exploits some things" and they are "in control" is the difference? Like yes they have bled us dry with their grip but as WikiLeaks, Epstein, Panama papers etc suggests, they weren't really "in control". Right now, there's a decent chance that Pakistan falls to the Taliban and their nukes will be in their hands - is actually anyone "in control" of this situation?

[-] darthelmet@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Did anything meaningful come from those leaks? People can try to do stuff to powerful people to reveal their misdeeds, but they've written the laws and are barely bound by the reach of nations in the first place. Few receive consequences for their crimes.

As for existential threats like nuclear weapons, that's it's own can of worms. So yeah, I guess in that respect they're not really in control. But short of nuclear annihilation or the eventual collapse of the human-suitable environment, they seem pretty untouchable.

EDIT: Actually, we even have a great example of the ways they can fly above some world spamming catastrophes: COVID 19 happened. Many died, many more lost their livelihoods, homes, etc. Meanwhile many of the rich got to take private transportation to private places so they could wait out the pandemic in safety while their companies' profits increased and they used that increased wealth to buy up even more capital.

I'd seriously doubt any claims that there's some cabal that deliberately caused it, but they sure do have the means to escape the worst of disasters and even exploit them for profit.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Capitalists still have microplastics in their body and die of Covid. An individual can make up for bad luck by using capital as a buffer. However, capital can be lost directly or devalued all together.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 months ago

Right now, there's a decent chance that Pakistan falls to the Taliban and their nukes will be in their hands …

Source? The Pakistani military had enough control over the country to replace the former PM with the current guy. Now I'm not saying this is a good thing, but I don't see the Taliban beating them in an open fight.

[-] lledrtx@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I'll admit I saw it on Tiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@philipdefranco/video/7322234507183164718

But I searched and found articles for example - https://www.voanews.com/a/pakistan-seeks-us-help-against-pakistani-taliban-in-afghanistan/7397076.html they talk about the attacks on the military.

The military could control the country but the Taliban can resort to much dirtier tactics than a proper military. So I think there's some decent chance.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

That's the TTP, a small fundamentalist group in Pakistan. They do occassional terrorist attacks in rural northwest Pakistan, and those are of course horrible to those affected, but they aren't challenging the power of the state. They're also unrelated to the Afghan Taliban, with whom the Pakistan military has a neutral to good relationship.

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