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[-] Serinus@lemmy.world -4 points 10 months ago
[-] endhits@lemmy.world 35 points 10 months ago

Don't treat people worse than literal cattle for decades and they won't hate you.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Okay, say Israel tomorrow turns the other cheek. They take down all checkpoints and allow free travel anywhere for anyone.

How many Israelis die before the Palestinians decide they no longer "deserve" to die? Does Israel still exist in five years?

[-] Jordan_U@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago

This same argument has been made throughout history.

"If we let Black people have freedom they'll murder all of the white plantation owners!"

Now, I wouldn't blame formerly enslaved people for murdering the people who enslaved them, but that didn't happen.

Aparthide in South Africa was ended without the promised (by white people) "white genocide" either.

Settler-colonial powers always think that the people they're oppressing will commit genocide, because it's what colonizers do.

The only road to true peace is full human rights for all.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

If there's an argument that's going to sway me, it's the historical comparisons. I need to read more about how similar situations have ended in the past, even if a direct comparison probably isn't fully accurate.

I'm absolutely interested in a path to peace; I just don't see one right now. I don't think putting 100% of the burden of peace on Israel is reasonable or possible. Hamas still has over a hundred hostages (assuming they're still alive).

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don’t think putting 100% of the burden of peace on Israel is reasonable or possible.

Israel is the one who singlehandedly built the current status quo, going as far as to fund Hamas and support them against the PNA.

Hamas still has over a hundred hostages (assuming they’re still alive).

Because hostages are one of the few ways Hamas can get concessions (including Palestinian political prisoners) out of Israel. If Hamas doesn't have hostages Israel simply won't stop.

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