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You mean genocides within your borders, because Democrats are already enabling genocides outside your borders. Like a good liberal you can ignore those or appeal to them at your political convenience.
And no... you are coerced in to voting Democrat because the alternative is more aggressive fascism. You have no choice but to vote for the less bad option. Democrats give ad money to fascist GOP candidates betting on you doing this, they're easier to win against because they can run on being the less bad party, coercing your vote out of pure fear of the alternative. I see it's working well on you. These parties serve donors not you, donors want this and give money to both parties, in return you get to choose the aesthetic of neoliberal capitalism you want to be represented by.
You think it's moronic because you're drawing an equivalency where I'm not, I'm very clearly telling you the differences between GOP and Democrats and you're choosing to interpret as me saying they're the same. They're both right wing parties one is just center-right and uses language of the left to brand themselves with, the other is middle-far right and uses fashy language to brand themselves with.
My major point is you shouldn't be happy with this arrangement, strategically voting within this arrangement isn't profound or complicated, and nobody should be shamed for expressing how the result of the state of politics in the US right now affects them. Instead embrace how bad it is and use that as motivation to organize. As in the past change will come if enough people are hurting enough to organize along class lines, the Populist movement and the Civil Rights movement both came out of labor organizing.
Ah - you're an accelerationist - there's not a party that perfectly represents you, so you'll vote in a way that'll give power to the fascists so they make everything worse, end democracy, ramp up support for the foreign genocide, and commit a bunch domestically so the survivors get fed up enough to hopefully revolt and dismantle that government entirely, rebuild from scratch, and hopefully build something better. Because getting a bunch of workers killed while making life worse for everyone is the strategic, pro-worker thing to do.
You don't need to burn everything to the ground and get a bunch of workers killed to organise. You deserve to be first against the wall when the fascists win.
Uhh no.. recognizing the decaying structure of American politics does not mean someone wants that. See how quick you make someone your worst enemy, how liberal of you.
I recognise the problems. The issue that that your solution to those problems is to make them all worse, burn democracy to the ground and cause a bunch of genocides because that'll somehow magically make it better.
I think I might have overestimated you when I called you an accelerationist - between the incoherent pseudo-leftist nonsense, American diabolist leanings, "fixing" things by electing fascists, performative third-party nonsense, and calling everyone a lib... Are you a Jimmy Dore fan?
The fascists are the enemy - you're just their useful idiot... and what an idiot you are.
Lol okay you're just making things up out of anger at this point cause you can't find any faults with what I've said. If I was accelerationist I'd say vote GOP but I'm not, strategically vote Democrat so the process is slower, build labor power and fight the economic system that is causing fascism to rise. Just don't act like you're high and mighty or exceptionally intelligent for voting for the less bad Democrats because they're part of this system too.
Your politics is determined by the economic conditions you're in and what advances your material interests in that arrangement, you don't really have control over that. You have ideaology, which is the difference between the values you think you hold with those that advance your material interests. Structural stresses change these conditions and alter the political ideology which people believe advances their interests. That's happening all the time independent of individual human agency. This is basic dialectics and I also subscribe to Niklas Luhmann's social systems theory. If you want to actually know my point of view rather than making up weird shit to get internet-angry at.
Have I not made it crystal clear that I don't give a fuck, so long as you vote to keep the fascists out on election day, and then work to improve things at any other moment in the election cycle?
The fact that you keep coming back to disagree with me and call me a lib when you're doing exactly what I'm advocating for is unhinged.
I'm uninterested in the rest of your nonsense (particularly given your deeply weird behavior), and there's no value in dismantling it.
Kinda more like the opposite
What else have I expressed concern about, champ?