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They pulled similar shit on Belarus-Polish border. Flew couple thousands people from Iraq promising them asylum in the EU, then walked them across the fence and closed the gates behind them. When Poland refused to let them in and some people froze in the fields in between border crossing it made Poland look like monsters in the media rather than Lukaschenko, so it worked like a charm.
In Finland the social media ghouls have had similar wishes of hosing the third parties down so they freeze to death. Or even just shooting them.
Even the financial minister (foreigners might remember her racist blog posts highlighted during the summer) said that legalities shouldn't matter.
Russia has been abusing the fact that usually we play nice and by the rules.
Yeah. Hope our fuck-up cabinet won't start compromising on such a core value
I'm glad we give no ground to Russian bullshit
I'm glad we're known to be better to people than Russia
I prefer appropriate measures over reputation.
Sure. What can Finland do to Russia for an appropriate measure? Now we seem to just try to hassle the other people stuck in the situation without a valid reasoning
Shut that shit down by closing the border. It's unfortunate Russia is using those people as a tool, now they might have to travel to a different border.
Well they kinda don't. We need to (and should) pick them up wherever they cross. So Russia actually doesn't need to care about this show.
There are places and proper border crossings to apply for EU asylum, visa that Russia isn't using as part of their hybrid operation. They can go there. Those places are also much closer to their place of origin, so won't have to travel so far either. Finland was just seen as an easy ticket to EU and Russia encouraged this.
Too bad for those who have already paid to be brought to our border or were brought in by Russia, but it's Russia who is to blame for the situation. They caused it.
Of course Russia is to blame. The blame just simply can't be let out towards the bystanders.
They're the tools in this, not just bystanders. Unless you're talking about those going to fill up their car in Russia or something, but I don't think that's a huge concern.
A human tool is still a human, instead of an object. The only principle in this whole bread and circus is that no harm is caused to other beings who are not responsible.
So we're left to observe if we're under a ruling class which fucks that up
I was replying to you calling them bystanders.
Yes I know
Just seemed like a strange point consider I don't think their status as humans was in doubt. Just whether we should stop Russian action or not.
It's a direction the current cabinet might be inching towards. Manufactured consent
On a larger level this won't stop whatever the next step of escalation will be and I'm not guaranteed Finland has enough planned with the EU to figure this shit out fast.
Not sure where it is escalating after the border is closed.
We'll see some sort of "bullying" as Niinistö phrased
And we'll deal with that bullying too when we come to it. Giving into it isn't a great option.
Maybe we need someone else dealing with that in the future.
I'd hope everyone else would be as determined to shut the bullying down. It's not like there's many other ways to deal with Russia.
Maybe we just saw the most Russia-minded response we have available
Nothing more Russia-minded than wanting to shut down Russia's attempts at bullying us.
Well, sorry if I'm not sympathetic to Poland there and their far right party at the time.
You mean the one that got to power after the entire previous government died under suspicious circumstances during a plane crash in russia?