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You can’t even pay people to have more kids
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Yeah, I've heard that argument and I don't buy it. What I see is people that are really burned out and borderline depressed. I don't believe a hug from their child before sleep fixes that. I believe it keeps them from going crazy but I don't think it makes it all worth it. Most people will simply not admit it because it's taboo.
Well since we are at anecdotal evidence. I am in the academics bubble, where quite a few of my friends also got children and they love it. You don't like kids, so you see all the problems that come with having children. You are looking for confirmation bias. There are more than enough people that do not hate children. I mean, we are kinda biologically programmed to procreate.
I totally get what you're saying but I think there's just so much pressure from society that it's all terribly biased. Last week I saw another very long article from a woman wondering if she should have kids or not and the comment section was full of people talking like they just realized having kids is optional. Watch any American TV show and you'll see how ingrained the idea that having kids is mandatory is. Average person is so programmed by society and media to have kids people think it's just what you have to do and yes, they will try to justify it but saying that it's actually very rewarding. I'm not saying that no one should have kids but I actually think that very few people have kids because they enjoy it. We're talking couples with good jobs, good benefits, lot's of family support and lot's of money. Most people don't have any of this but they still have kids.
My friend lost his apartment to a fire so I took him in with my wife and kids while he got back on his feet. He was working class, his parents were neglectful and died young, his other family hated him, and he was left to fight for scraps and fend for himself.
He saw me give love to my kids, he saw the freedom we gave them to explore the world around them and their feelings, to exist without fear. One day my friend got home from work and the two kids ran over screaming "UNCLE!" and hugged him. He teared up a little and hugged them back, then he asked me to chat outside for a bit.
He laid it all out and said he wants kids. He never thought he could subject them to the life he lived but after seeing mine he realized he didn't have to. He said watching them grow up and being a part of it has been very rewarding. He has since started a business, almost entirely stopped drinking and smoking, invested his money in multiple places, and is now dating.
Kids are a lot of work, but they're also fantastic at showing you what actually matters in life. So much of the bullshit we think matters is just fluff.
So? You want to have kids then have kids. No one is saying kids should be forbidden. What I'm saying is that a lot of people decide to have kids when they don't have enough time and money for it and have lousy experience. And a lot (and like really really a lot) of people are simply bad at parenting and their kids also have lousy experience. You were lucky to have the resources and skills to raise your kids right. Good for you. Problem is that when you say 'kids and fantastic' a lot of people think they are fantastic for everyone. We should be saying 'kids are fantastic if you have the resources, time and skills needed to take care of them properly' instead. The 'why don't you have kids? kids are fantastic!' attitude that's the problem. It makes people think they are missing out on something great when they don't have them and puts a lot of needles pressure on couples. Having kids shouldn't be the default, it should be an option for the right people.