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[-] Surp@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Opens history book on Europe/Asia/Africa/South America, etc. insert literally any place in the world. Wow! I'm funny on Lemmy! So dumb, good people in every country in the world. And just about every country has done unspeakable things to get to where they are today. Most of the time it's not because the good people even want to be involved it's because the rich make it happen. Blame the rich...they are the problem in every country.

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

You're not wrong, every country has done fucked shit. I think the point of this meme is to bring Americans down to that realisation that applies to their country too, tho.

[-] scottywh@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

With an insulting title like this post has, I don't think that's the point at all.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago

DAE the US in unaware of history!? Because I think I know what 300 million people are!

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

I was talking about the meme that OP posted, not the title OP gave it. I am assuming OP did not make the meme.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

Everybody knows. There's nothing new under the sun

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

I can't imagine they don't know.

[-] Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I think the point of this meme is to bring Americans down to that realisation that applies to their country too

Because Americans don't know? We get taught about this in school. If you want to find a country that buries its atrocities, try Japan

[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

If your republicans get their way, kids won't be taught about it in school in future. :P

[-] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Not all countries did as horrible things as America, at least not on the same scale

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Which country dropped 2 nuclear bombs again? I always forget.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Singling out the US from WW2 seems odd. It was the one with Nazis, you know? Also during that war Japan did some absolutely despicable shit, like Nanjing massacre, there were the Nazis which, yeah no need to explain that one, USSR had their own massacres and "forced relocations" of peoples, there was the fascist Italy which at least in Africa did awful shit, Croatia had Ustaše and their own holocaust, Lithuania same deal, don't remember off the bat what horrible shit Brits did but knowing Brits you know there's something there, Finland had horrific prison camps for Soviet prisoners...

Looking at WW2 and coming to the conclusion that the US specifically is bad is weird. There's so much fucked up shit done by almost everyone.

Also tbh I've never really understood what the big difference between using nukes and just bombing the absolute shit out of a population with conventional weapons is. Nowadays the difference is that you don't want to trigger a nuclear exchange, but that wasn't really a case then. One difference is that it's new and different weapon, but that's not very concrete. Radiation and lasting effects is more concrete, but also, unexploded shit manages to still kill people. You'll have horrific after effects from conventional weapons too.

This is something I've never understood but would be glad if someone explains. It's often just said as self-evident thing but I've never seen the argument spelled out. Might help me change my mind about it if someone does.

[-] the_q@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago

You have no intentions of changing your mind...

If you can't tell the difference in "just bombing" and what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... well that says more about you than anything else.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

It's sorta hard to learn about the argument or the difference when people outright refuse to spell it out.

If you can't tell the difference in "just bombing" and what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... well that says more about you than anything else.

Of course my opinion says things about me. But like I said, I don't see the big difference to conventional weapons. That's why I'm asking you to explain it to me ffs

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

What happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki wasn't worse than Dresden, Tokyo, or several other bombings (especially Cambodia in the Vietnam war). They are notable in terms of being a nuke, but in terms of damage overall unremarkable.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

This is my feeling too. With the number of killed and the destruction they caused they don't seem that different from conventional weapons.

I'm not sure what makes the nukes worse and this guy just outright refused to even explain it to me since they didn't feel likely they'd manage to convince me. Kinda infuriating, especially when I'm genuinely interested in understanding the argument.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago

A lot of focus is in those bombs and generally the complete destruction of conventional weapons is glossed over or even ignored. Especially when it was the allies targeting civilian infrastructure.

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