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this post was submitted on 19 Nov 2023
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Who cares? Isn't the point of it being federated that you can join whatever instance and have the same experience (ignoring of course whatever that particular instance is doing for modrration)
Except one fatal flaw for Lemmy. Communities are centralized on servers and the default view is "one community on one server" instead of "that community on every server".
Result, you can't just go to /c/books on your server and expect to see every /c/books on every server.
Even worse, if you post on /c/books on your server, it will not be seen by most Lenny users, by design.
Instead, you have to find the biggest /c/books community and go to that server
For me, this kills all hope and enthusiasm I had for Lemmy. This turns Lemmy into "Reddit with extra steps".
If this isn't rectified before the form of Lemmy is finalized, this will kill Lemmy for the same reason Digg and Reddit are dead and dying.
The power to silently choke Lenny is in a few hands and I promise to you they will squeeze when the time is right for them.
This is for the moderator's convenience. For the dev convenience and the server owner convenience.
We all know a fractured community cannot transplant itself without breaking apart. There is power is centralization, communities are centralized.
We need to take the power of moderators and give it to the user's. Moderation must be made communally and democratically.
This means moderation is something that happens in the client. It is something the user subscribe to. That the user can change at will.
You said that as a lemmy.ml user in reply to a user from another instance, and I'm replying to you from yet a third. It doesn't seem to be restricting any of us to our own instance
Is the "problem" you're talking about that any instance may have it's own community by the same name as another instance's? That's not a bug.
That lets anyone say "I don't like that community for this thing I like, I shall set up my own on this other instance"
"I don't like this community, I shall"... Go to an empty space talk to myself and maybe one other guy in 3 years
Look Lemmy communities have the same critical mass effect as Reddit does. For each community, there's going to always end up with one big one, and then a bunch of tiny irrelevant ones.
It will take a reddit-sized screw up just to get maybe 1/3 of any particular critical mass community to try and scatter into the lemmyverse.
In every way that matters, Lemmy is as centralized as Reddit.
Do you hear yourself? You sound like those people who say "blockchain" solves every problem. If you don't like a community then "federation" is not some magical solution to it.
You are free to learn the Facebook/Digg/Reddit lesson all over again on lemmy then
The hell are you talking about, you are I are from different instances both talking to each other on a third instance lol.
I think he's talking about similar communities from different instances. Like "books" on lemmy.world is separate from "books" on lemmy.ml. So people will end up migrating to the larger one for more users to share with. I feel like it's not a big deal since I can subscribe to all of them while being on a single instance.
I know you agreed with me so don't take it as arguing, but I don't get this logic. If someone made "books" there's nothing stopping people from making "readingbooks" with the exact same rules and content guidelines. The problem doesn't go away.
I miss usenet.