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[–] toomanyjoints69@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I cant really empathize with animals like how i can people. I hit possums with my car on the way to work all the time (once a month or so). Its unavoidable because they charge into the road and its too windy to move out of the way usually.

If i hit even one person id never live with the guilt and quit my job. Its unfair to expect 1 possum to equal 1 human. I understand you dont expect that. However, how many possums would i have to hit before it was enough for me to care much? It would have to be like when the cicadas come out - piles and piles of them for miles. I just value my husband having nice things more than the lives of those rodents, even though i like rodents a lot.

So the meat industry is basically a giant concentration camp of suffering, but im unsure if the suffering outweighs all the workers it employs, or evsn ths fact that they taste good.

At the same time, their suffering has value. Im excited for clone meat and i eat a lot of vegetables. It could easilly be that i cant empathize with them because of class consiousness similar to poor roman citizens not caring about the plight of slaves.

So, if veganism benefitted my class id be more enthusiastic in becoming a vegetarian instead of just using meat in moderation. It would have to be something about how me not eating meat or doing local activism for animals helps. I cant change society and me not buying meat wont actually help animals.

For example, my local activism was beneficial to people like me because it gave them a support network and community.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So the meat industry is basically a giant concentration camp of suffering, but im unsure if the suffering outweighs all the workers it employs, or evsn ths fact that they taste good.

Very good utilitarian way of thinking you're employing here, which can be used to justify everything else too very-intelligent I know slaves are suffering, but their suffering doesn't outweigh the money they're bringing to the empire, or even the fact that the shirt made from the cotton they picked is nice.

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[–] Pili@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (8 children)

im unsure if the suffering outweighs all the workers it employs, or evsn ths fact that they taste good.

The workers employed in that industry very often end up with PTSD because of all the horrors they experience every day. Stopping the support for the animal holocaust is the best way to help those fellow workers possibly find a better job in the processing of plant based food, possibly saving their lives.

And yes, the suffering of others absolutely outweighs 15 minutes of sensory entertainment, how is that even a question?

veganism benefitted my class id be more enthusiastic in becoming a vegetarian

My first point already explained why it benefits your class, but I will also add that a vegan diet is the single most impactful thing someone can do to reduce their carbon footprint. So, if your class will suffer from climte change (it will) then going vegan is a necessity.

And also this: Veggie-based diets could save 8 million lives by 2050 and cut global warming

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My first point already explained why it benefits your class, but I will also add that a vegan diet is the single most impactful thing someone can do to reduce their carbon footprint. So, if your class will suffer from climte change (it will) then going vegan is a necessity.

the idea of the personal carbon footprint is propaganda created by BP to distract from real environmental issues, much like the idea of the litterbug was corporate propaganda created to distract from actually meaningful pollution by industry.

[–] Pili@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, the personal carbon footprint is tiny compared to corporations, but that shouldn't be an excuse not to care about our individual impact. Getting people invested in the problem of the climate crisis is essential to get some regulations from our governments. We will get nothing if everyone just doesn't seem to care.

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[–] artificialset@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (10 children)

So the meat industry is basically a giant concentration camp of suffering, but im unsure if the suffering outweighs all the workers it employs, or evsn ths fact that they taste good.

it's okay that sentient beings suffer because you think they taste good. you must realise how genuinely fucked up that thought is, right? what gives you any right to decide your favourite treat is more important than a life? animals feel pain. they have wants that aren't purely instinctual. their right to autonomy is more important than your desire for treats or a paycheck for workers - paycheck that comes at a heavy price, mind you. a job that requires mass killing has negative psychological and sometimes even physical effects on people.

at the end of the day, we're leftists because we believe that pushing suffering on the innocent is wrong. pigs, cows, chickens have done nothing to deserve death. buying their corpses to eat is completely out of step with the values communists and anarchists claim to hold.

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[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No one has addressed that that’s a shit ton of dead possums

[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

Like yeah what the fuck, once a month ?

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[–] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Possums are marsupials, the only marsupial native to North America, actually. Just a fun fact.

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