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[–] rodolfo@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok, long story short. two people were released, red cross helped. hamas got these points hit:

  • they shown that Netanyahu govt wouldn't help release the hostages
  • see? we collaborate with red cross, dear westerners, what do you have to say?

the narrative, all that matters is the narrative. hamas seem they started getting this concept...

so, did I show you why you and your deductions were wrong all the way? do you understand why hamas, Netanyahu govt and everyone else (you included?) is trying to push a narrative? do you understand now why it's a terrible attitude?

justify either party, and one might get some blood on themself.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago

No, this proves I was right The entire time.

Okay let's start over from the beginning

A. Hamas makes a statement, they want to release hostages no strings attached, Israel won't let them ao they can't.

B. Hamas is saying they have no ability to release hostages without Israeli assistance

C. The UN, and the Red Cross, operate inside of the Gaza strip

D. Hamas has access to the Egyptian border

Hamas statement is a lie, because point b contradicts point c and d.

Hamas statement is a lie because point a is contradicted by the contradiction and point b.

In war everybody lies, I fully acknowledge that, but here we have a statement that is self-contradictory in itself. Pointing out that this is a lie is not taking a side, it's pointing out that this is a lie.

If people wanted to say the initial release of two US hostages, had some consideration for Hamas, and they were trying to hint that they wanted the same consideration again to release two Israeli hostages. Fine. But their statement would still be a lie, when they said they didn't want anything to release these hostages for humanitarian reasons.

The fact that today, I guess yesterday now, they released hostages via the Red Cross is great. But it doesn't change the fact they were lying earlier. They don't need Israeli cooperation to release hostages as they've just demonstrated.