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Highlights: A study this summer found that using a single gas stove burner on high can raise levels of cancer-causing benzene above what’s been observed from secondhand smoke.

A new investigation by NPR and the Climate Investigations Center found that the gas industry tried to downplay the health risks of gas stoves for decades, turning to many of the same public-relations tactics the tobacco industry used to cover up the risks of smoking. Gas utilities even hired some of the same PR firms and scientists that Big Tobacco did.

Earlier this year, an investigation from DeSmog showed that the industry understood the hazards of gas appliances as far back as the 1970s and concealed what they knew from the public.

It’s a strategy that goes back as far back as 1972, according to the most recent investigation. That year, the gas industry got advice from Richard Darrow, who helped manufacture controversy around the health effects of smoking as the lead for tobacco accounts at the public relations firm Hill + Knowlton. At an American Gas Association conference, Darrow told utilities they needed to respond to claims that gas appliances were polluting homes and shape the narrative around the issue before critics got the chance. Scientists were starting to discover that exposure to nitrogen dioxide—a pollutant emitted by gas stoves—was linked to respiratory illnesses. So Darrow advised utilities to “mount the massive, consistent, long-range public relations programs necessary to cope with the problems.”

These studies didn’t just confuse the public, but also the federal government. When the Environmental Protection Agency assessed the health effects of nitrogen dioxide pollution in 1982, its review included five studies finding no evidence of problems—four of which were funded by the gas industry, the Climate Investigations Center recently uncovered.

Karen Harbert, the American Gas Association’s CEO, acknowledged that the gas industry has “collaborated” with researchers to “inform and educate regulators about the safety of gas cooking appliances.” Harbert claimed that the available science “does not provide sufficient or consistent evidence demonstrating chronic health hazards from natural gas ranges”—a line that should sound familiar by now.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It's like everything is lies or something, that sure is surprising in a world where the only important thing is money. It's like its an inevitable consequence or something. Like we shouldn't have organized our society this way

fuckin shocking

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was told that the free market would naturally remove any bad actors... I guess we just have to deal with half a century of collateral damage before that happens.

[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's when they roll out the "it's not really a free market" argument.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Within one hour of your comment. As if summoned...

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Half a century? This kind of thing has been going on much longer than 50 years...

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

It’s a strategy that goes back as far back as 1972, according to the most recent investigation.

Was basing it on that from OP.

Of course these fundamental issues with capitalism are inherent to the system, and in general, began long before 1972.

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's that neoliberalism is a lie. Neoliberalism which strated in the 70s with financial capitalism and then deployed fully with Reagan and Thatcher boosted disregulation to make all of this (profit before everything else) possible. Capitalism is a part of neoliberalism, but neoliberalism is more than just capitalism and free market. The fact is that both neoliberalism and capitalism have to be strongly regulated at best.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You might want to reread das Kapital. Capitalism and neoliberalism are the same.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They should, or at least a brief summary of it. I am not going to begrudge someone for not wanting to dive into such a dry dense tome. But Marx as someone who studied sociology has many astute analysis and critique of the inherent social dis-functions and toxicity of capitalism.

But so many of us, in the United States especially have been beaten over the head with mccarthy-ist propaganda since birth. As well as intense indoctrination to treat Leninism as a representation of all socialism. When that almost couldn't be farther from the truth. Leninism much like fascism is much more tied to totalitarianism* or authoritarianism than it is to any particular socioeconomic model.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never heard footballitarianism before. Is this what it means?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, that's just me not double checking ai dictation well enough lol.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I might be incorrect, but wasn’t Leninism supposed to be a temporary stepping stone to communism because the USSR wasn’t industrialized? In already industrialized societies we might be able to start with market socialism or a type of anarcho-communism. With my limited imagination it seems the next test after overcoming authoritarianism might be the abolishment of money. If that could be done, Then we will have achieved early communism.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't a lot of other places industrialize without communism? You'll hear a lot of capitalist making similar claims. It doesn't mean that it's true. I think that at the time the world in general was industrializing. And the extent to which capitalism or communism aided in that is debatable at best.

Tokens of exchange. However, I don't see ever going away. We might be able to minimize the importance and role in society. But they aren't going anywhere

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My Che Guevara t-shirt will destroy capitalism. /s

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Non serious reply. But whatever, I'm not the one it reflects badly on. Or who failed to address what was said.

Currency predates capitalism by thousands of years. It's just a basic fact. Even if we abolish capitalism that doesn't make currencies go away. They have a value outside of capitalism. I make no illusions that I am both against leninism and capitalism in general. and I take the disdain from both groups as a badge of honor.

[–] kylua@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that sure is not surprising

but yeah. I got your point

[–] jungle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, like anyone would have ever heard of sarcasm.