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Gaza, is not controlled by the IDF, it is fully free, sovereign, and governed by Hamas. The IDF cannot drive people around, it’s not their territory.
Too bad Israel keeps killing amnesty workers or I bet they would volunteer: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/nine-staffers-working-with-un-palestinian-refugee-agency-killed-air-strikes-gaza-2023-10-11/
Oh lemme guess, it's a feature not a bug?
This is very unfortunate, I don’t want to lessen the severity of this. But I want to stress that Israel had stated many times in this conflict that Hamas is the sole target of the attacks. I also want to stress the measures that Israel had taken in order to prevent killings of innocent bystanders, from roof-knocking, calling people’s homes, throwing pamphlets from the sky etc. warning people in the area of attack. These measures are not employed anywhere else in the world, not in Ukraine, not in Armenia and most certainly that did not happen last saturday when Hamas attacked Israel. I see all the posts against Israel’s warnings and I just don’t get it. It is supposed to be the responsibility of Hamas as the elected government in Gaza to evacuate people from warzone (just like how Israel had evacuated over a million civilians from around gaza and Lebanon to keep them safe). But since they don’t do that, Israel reveals its war plans and literally tells when and where they plan to attack, in order to keep people safe.
You can say you are only targeting hamas, but when you start bombing evacuation convoys, why should anyone believe them?
you know it was an explosive inside one of the cars right? israel had nothing to do with it.
Your guy says 3 options.
Hamas airstrike, Israeli airstrike, horrible accident.
I would love to be wrong but what you just linked to proves nothing than what we already knew.
Note that I am accepting your random Twitter guy as evidence for the sake of this argument only.
I didn't trust twitter before and i damn sure don't now.
I do admit it casts doubt though and if you can show me a legitimate source showing your side I would love to read it.
I really want to be wrong about israel.
I want them to have not become oppressors after they of all people know how bad it was
Wikipedia might disagree with you. You can compare the civilian casualties on both sides since 2001 and it is immediately obvious that Israel simply doesn't care. Israeli settlers killing some Palestinian, no investigation.
IDF killing kids for throwing stones, no problem.
IDF killing journalists, again, no persecution, no effective sentences, nothing. And all this coming from an historically oppressed nation, oh the turn tables.
Too many words, don't care, didn't read. Don't kill amnesty workers and journalists. No excuses.
Where do you live?
In the hearts of the people I have loved and the nightmares of those who have crossed me. /s
Why?
I want to know how many innocent journalists and human rights activists died by the hands of your country. Or maybe suggest some state that is up to your standards?
Whataboutism.
Counterpoint.
My country funds and provides the weapons used for these war crimes. Protesting is about all I can to stop the US from killing more journalists and amnesty workers.
Not whataboutism, I just want to show you that your standards are infeasible. In war people die, in warzones there are casualties and bombs falling from the sky, that’s the reallity of it. If journalists or volunteers take the risk and go to a warzone, they are at risk of dying ALWAYS.
Also, don’t lecture me about debate ethics when you refuse to read any of my arguments.
I didn't read it because it was garbage. More words != better argument
Edit: wait, when did I "lecture you about debate ethics"? I called out a logical fallacy I didn't lecture you. Would you like me to show you the difference?
How can you know it was garbage if you didn’t read it? How do you prove that these arguments are garbage, other than just saying it is garbage. I agree, more words != more better, but sometimes arguments require more words.
Personal opinion, I think you can’t handle those valid arguments. I think you know no country in the world is up to your standards. And I know that Hamas is certainly not up to your standards.
Fine I read it. You didn't make any valid arguments you just said "yeah but they give a warning". Still doesn't excuse killing amnesty workers. Now go away.
Your double standards are very apparent. If you want to support the side that murdered children on purpose, go ahead and do so. I prefer the side that tries to lower the number of deaths, and defend their civilians.
It's not a double standard if I also say it's bad when my country does it.
But by any actual metric you know Israel kills way more children than Palestine. 36x more to be exact (between 2008-2020 cuz those are the numbers I could find)
Israelis have been killing children for years, do not try to pretend they don't.