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Doesn't =/= Wouldn't
This has never been reduced to practice. Completely theoretical. You need to find people where they are, not where they should be.
Because the bourgeoisie impede any attempt. And you're wrong as GDR is proof it did work.
Nazi Germany is capitalism's response to Communism.
I know several former East Germans. None of them was happy. They all agree that things are better now. You don't have a good example.
To the extent that the bourgeoisie are able to vote, buy political ads, hire private police, use private schools which reinforce their preferences, etc this will never fly. Again you need to find a third way that is popular. My solution is regulation, but I would happily jump on a bandwagon that has people on it. GDR is not that bandwagon.
How old are they?
50s now, so went to college during reunification.
So you met a few in the group of East Germans most enamoured with "reunification", and who never experienced the economic benefits of living under socialism.
I know plenty of East Germans born in the 40s and 50s. They would strongly disagree with your East Germans.
Guess we can pack up all of political theory, this guy has an anecdote
"You don't have a good example because I know a handful of people (who children or not born when the USSR dissolved)
Very glib. My point remains though - if this stuff were popular, it would be used more. So why don't we have it in the US? How do you propose to get around that?
Your point does not stand at all, you shared an anecdote. There is no empirical data supporting your claim, in actuality the majority of the people who lived during the time of the Soviet Union say they miss it and life was better in the USSR.
Gonna steal @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml comment:
You didn't address any of my questions. If this stuff is so popular, why isn't it used more? How do you propose to overcome the objections of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, including the rich and powerful?
Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie. You made a claim that you could not back up, the available empirical data opposes your claim, and yet you declare your point still stands. It does not.
In a proper civil dialogue we conclude disagreements before moving on to the next wall you've thrown shit at to see what sticks. So if you want to ask questions and get them answered, then you gotta show yourself to be acting in good faith as well. This requires behaving like a normal person and not some little weasely booger who cannot admit fault or themself answer any questions - In your case you gotta either admit you were wrong, provide reasonable critique for why the data is not applicable (this of course requires you read the texts you have been given, something I doubt you will ever do, you types rarely even make it past the headline and even then it is typically only a brief skim, feverishly hunting for some sentence you can misinterpret) or provide sufficient empirical data that can help create a working hypothesis alongside the other data.
Ok great some people affected liked it. You win and have a huge penis.
That does not mean it is popular here and I still don't see a way forward for it.
Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections.
There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don't respond instead of wasting everyones time.
Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think "I win" then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie?
Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution.
If only that were true. Unfortunately the next stop on your train is fascism not better regulation.